The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheMightyOzaru]

No, he showed he was able to heavily injure Gohan with a small Ki blast. Cell was toying with Gohan during that struggle. He could have ended it any time he wanted.

[Cursed Lemon]

If we're going to assume that Cell was just magically handed a crapload of power from his regeneration a la Mystic Gohan, then fine, DBZ has worse affronts to logic out there.

And regardless of whether Gohan got angry, he still had vastly reduced power and lost the use of an arm. If he started as a 10 in SSJ2 and was cut down to a 5, we cannot sanely assume that he just magically vaulted up to a 15 when in such a terrible state. SSJ2 Gohan at 10 was kicking Cell around like he was Raditz - at best, we can assume that Cell managed to regenerate at something like an 8.5 or whatever.

As far as injuring Gohan, first of all, if that was a "small" blast then so is the Big Bang Attack. Secondly, it has been repeatedly shown throughout DBZ that characters who are off their guard can be injured by inferior fighters.

[Kamiccolo9]

If we're going to assume that Cell was just magically handed a crapload of power from his regeneration a la Mystic Gohan, then fine, DBZ has worse affronts to logic out there.

And regardless of whether Gohan got angry, he still had vastly reduced power and lost the use of an arm. If he started as a 10 in SSJ2 and was cut down to a 5, we cannot sanely assume that he just magically vaulted up to a 15 when in such a terrible state. SSJ2 Gohan at 10 was kicking Cell around like he was Raditz - at best, we can assume that Cell managed to regenerate at something like an 8.5 or whatever.

As far as injuring Gohan, first of all, if that was a "small" blast then so is the Big Bang Attack. Secondly, it has been repeatedly shown throughout DBZ that characters who are off their guard can be injured by inferior fighters.

It's not an assumption; we know that Cell got a huge power up. It's said so numerous times. And again, a 2x zenkai would be one of the smaller ones in the series. A huge difference was stated between Perfect and Super Perfect Cell.

As for your other point, off guard attacks have been shown to send stronger fighters flying, not injure them. Freeza wasn't hurt by Piccolo, and Buu wasn't damaged by Trunks.

[Cursed Lemon]

That still doesn't change the fact that an injured Gohan destroyed a perfectly healthy "improved" Cell.

So which is it?

Did Cell get a "SSJ2" to his "SSJ" and Gohan just magically pulled a Buu arc-level blast out of his ass?

Or did Gohan just use up his SSJ2 reserves to vaporize a Cell who wasn't really THAT much stronger?

One of these things seems infinitely more likely to me.

[Kamiccolo9]

That still doesn't change the fact that an injured Gohan destroyed a perfectly healthy "improved" Cell.

So which is it?

Did Cell get a "SSJ2" to his "SSJ" and Gohan just magically pulled a Buu arc-level blast out of his ass?

Or did Gohan just use up his SSJ2 reserves to vaporize a Cell who wasn't really THAT much stronger?

One of these things seems infinitely more likely to me.

By pure luck. As Oozaru mentioned above, Cell was toying with him.

Seeing as Cell is specifically said to be much stronger after regenerating, then it's apparent that Gohan utilized his dormant powers in the beam struggle. I don't see why you keep saying "magically pulling it out of his ass;" isn't that what Gohan has been doing for the entire series up until that point?

[Cursed Lemon]

Because he was severely injured.

That's kind of important.

[Kamiccolo9]

Because he was severely injured.

That's kind of important.

And Cell wasn't trying. See how we can go back and forth with this? And Cell wasn't worried about facing Gohan even before he was injured, and proceeded to cripple him with one attack, again, without even trying. He was said to get a power boost like Gohan's, which was a 2x boost, which would make his Super Perfect state stronger than Gohan's SSJ2 form, as Perfect Cell was stronger than SSJ Gohan. Pretty much everything points to Cell being stronger than Gohan when the latter is not utilizing his dormant power.

[Cursed Lemon]

But there is no way Gohan got over his original power with his sudden increase in effort.

And, IMHOtep you're putting way, way too high of an emphasis on Vegeta's distraction.

If Cell was so insanely strong as you're postulating, he could've easily countered.

[TheGmGoken]

Last post before bed time.

Rage SSJ2 Saiyan Arc(Raditz) Gohan vs Kaioken x2 Goku(Ginyu arc)

[Kamiccolo9]

IMHOtep you're putting way, way too high of an emphasis on Vegeta's distraction.

If Cell was so insanely strong as you're postulating, he could've easily countered.

Vegeta's distraction was what allowed Gohan to take Cell off guard.

And Cell didn't know it was coming. How could he have countered it?

[Cursed Lemon]

Okay...answer me this.

SPC vs. SSJ2 Gohan full on senzu beanage.

Who wins?

[Kamiccolo9]

Okay...answer me this.

SPC vs. SSJ2 Gohan full on senzu beanage.

Who wins?

Depends. If Cell would just go all out, then he could probably take this, after a tough fight. However, if he acts in-character, then he'd probably mock Gohan about his inability to protect the Earth, and end up killing a bird or something, resulting in Gohan freaking out and annihilating him.

So... if he used common sense, Cell, and if he acted like he always does, Gohan. Unless a freak accident occurs, and Cell once again manages to have one of his cells survive. The resulting zenkai would allow him to crush Gohan.

[Kid Buu]

Probably been done to death but....

SSj2 Kid Gohan (with Goku holding his hand) Vs. SSj2 Vegeta pre-Majin.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Probably been done to death but....

SSj2 Kid Gohan (with Goku holding his hand) Vs. SSj2 Vegeta pre-Majin.

Gohan wins. Vegeta wasn't sure if he would be stronger than enraged SS2 Gohan, and after the Babidi's power-up, he was implied to be not much stronger than enraged SS2 Gohan.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Okay...answer me this.

SPC vs. SSJ2 Gohan full on senzu beanage.

Who wins?

It's a fairly even fight. I think Gohan and Cell are equals without Gohan getting the rage boost he had during the Kamehameha. Cell has to be at least equal to Gohan cause such severe damage to Gohan with a relatively small attack.

Probably been done to death but....

SSj2 Kid Gohan (with Goku holding his hand) Vs. SSj2 Vegeta pre-Majin.

Gohan wrecks him. Goku wouldn't even need to hold his hand.

[dbzfan7]

Probably been done to death but....

SSj2 Kid Gohan (with Goku holding his hand) Vs. SSj2 Vegeta pre-Majin.

Excluding the holding hands joke...Gohan would win without Goku's health...SSJ2 Kid Gohan is relatively in Majin Vegeta's league. SSJ2 Vegeta pre boost should be significantly weaker than that.

[MDSTSSJ]

Okay...answer me this.

SPC vs. SSJ2 Gohan full on senzu beanage.

Who wins?

SPC is more skilled than Gohan. Could go either way!

[RandomGuy96]

SPC is a dumbass, but he's still more skilled than Gohan and has better abilities. He pounds Gohan's face in.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I'm still amused by the notion that Cell is a dumb ass just because he wants a challenge.

[Kid Buu]

Based on the "Yajirobe" thread - Yamcha Vs. Yajirobe at the end of DB.

For the sake of the fight, let's ignore the whole "Yamcha can only win a fight if it involves Chichis or someone called Chichi" rule.