The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ZombieVito]

GT Piccolo was controlling Hell. Ridlo was down there, and he's at least stronger than any Z-era SS2 aside from Gotenks.

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SSJ2?

Rildo demolished a stronger Chou Gohan....

Piccolo is easily Buuhan tier in GT.

[RandomGuy96]

No, he beat up a Gohan that still considered SS2 a completely viable option.

[ZombieVito]

Gohan did not get weaker after Z. The perfect files state he continued to train and regain the effects of the SSJ transformations. Rildo destroyed a stronger Chou Gohan.

Even still, Rildo was stated to be stronger than Buu.

[RandomGuy96]

Gohan did not get weaker after Z. The perfect files state he continued to train and regain the effects of the SSJ transformations. Rildo destroyed a stronger Chou Gohan.

Even still, Rildo was stated to be stronger than Buu.

Stronger than some form of Buu. We don't know which one.

Where did it say that he "regained the effects of the SS transformations"? And if he was Ultimate levels of strong, why bother with SS at all?

[Rocketman]

Nope.
Semi perfect Cell = FP Imperfect Cell + Android 18
Super Vegeta only being double Namek saga SSJ Goku makes no sense.

Android 18 has a power level of ~5.

[Kid Buu]

You can't sense the Androids Ki, so I assume they don't have a power level.

[Kingsley]

Gohan did not get weaker after Z. The perfect files state he continued to train and regain the effects of the SSJ transformations. Rildo destroyed a stronger Chou Gohan.

Even still, Rildo was stated to be stronger than Buu.

Stronger than some form of Buu. We don't know which one.

Where did it say that he "regained the effects of the SS transformations"? And if he was Ultimate levels of strong, why bother with SS at all?

It is stated in the GT perfect files that Gohan trained and regained the ability to use the SSJ forms, not to mention his base is above what it was against Super Boo.
Rildo>SSJ2 GT Gohan>Base GT Gohan>Mystic Gohan

[ZombieVito]

Gohan did not get weaker after Z. The perfect files state he continued to train and regain the effects of the SSJ transformations. Rildo destroyed a stronger Chou Gohan.

Even still, Rildo was stated to be stronger than Buu.

Stronger than some form of Buu. We don't know which one.

Where did it say that he "regained the effects of the SS transformations"? And if he was Ultimate levels of strong, why bother with SS at all?

It is stated in the GT perfect files that Gohan trained and regained the ability to use the SSJ forms, not to mention his base is above what it was against Super Boo.
Rildo>SSJ2 GT Gohan>Base GT Gohan>Mystic Gohan

This. Seriously people GT bloats everything to hell. Even Piccolo solos the entire universe of Z bar SSJ Vegetto.

[RandomGuy96]

No. It doesn't work like that. If Gohan is going Super Saiyan EVER in GT, then he's simply weak, since Ultimate and Super Saiyan never ever stack.

[Kid Buu]

GT Pan Vs. Android 18, as Pan seemed to be stronger than Gero in GT at the least.

[Kingsley]

No. It doesn't work like that. If Gohan is going Super Saiyan EVER in GT, then he's simply weak, since Ultimate and Super Saiyan never ever stack.

It straight up stated that in an official guidebook that Gohan learned how to stack SSJ and his Kai power up. It's officially stated, it's a fact, it's canon for GT. You can't say it isn't a fact because you think that it isn't possible.

GT Pan Vs. Android 18, as Pan seemed to be stronger than Gero in GT at the least.

GT Pan is haxxed, she knocked someone stronger than Boohan on his ass and made one of the Shadows Dragons have enough power to knock around SSJ4 Goku when she got absorbed. I'd it's a pretty easy win for Pan.

[RandomGuy96]

It straight up stated that in an official guidebook that Gohan learned how to stack SSJ and his Kai power up. It's officially stated, it's a fact, it's canon for GT. You can't say it isn't a fact because you think that it isn't possible.

Show me. Show me the specific quote that says that SS Gohan's power in GT is equivalent to Ultimate Gohan multiplied by fifty.

[Kaboom]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =7&t=14812 (Old thread. No necroposting, please!)

Son Gohan
He transformed when fighting with Goten after Goten had been taken over by Baby!! It seems that even in times of peace, he hasn’t neglected his training. The differences in Gohan’s facial expressions before and after transforming are the most intense out of any warrior!!

It lists Gohan as a user of Super Saiyan, and notes that he "hasn't neglected his training," clearly showing that GT's writers didn't give a damn about what things were like in the original manga. Anyway, it says nothing about how having Super Saiyan back affects his power, or how it relates to his 'Ultimate' state, or if or how the two "stack," or anything like that.

It just says "he has Super Saiyan" and "he's been training." That's all.

[Kingsley]

It straight up stated that in an official guidebook that Gohan learned how to stack SSJ and his Kai power up. It's officially stated, it's a fact, it's canon for GT. You can't say it isn't a fact because you think that it isn't possible.

Show me. Show me the specific quote that says that SS Gohan's power in GT is equivalent to Ultimate Gohan multiplied by fifty.

Son Gohan
He transformed when fighting with Goten after Goten had been taken over by Baby!! It seems that even in times of peace, he hasn’t neglected his training. The differences in Gohan’s facial expressions before and after transforming are the most intense out of any warrior!!
Herms translated it in this thread:

The quote shows that Gohan is at least as strong as Mystic Gohan, but likely stronger since he's been training.
Also the SSJ multiplier in GT is lower, so he wouldn't be fifty times stronger than Mystic Gohan. This is shown in this quote
Episode 19
Time: Roughly 19m40s
Context: Rild senses Goku's ki after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan
Rild: “Up to now, you haven't been putting out half of your power.”

Goku's power only doubles when he's in Super Saiyan, so Gohan is only gonna be probably 4-5 times stronger at the most, not fifty like you suggested. I hope this makes it more believable for you.

[RandomGuy96]

No, it doesn't. Gohan never goes Ultimate in GT, just Super Saiyan (which itself is probably evidence he CAN'T use his Ultimate form, as the Ultimate form is explicitly supposed to be a replacement for the inferior Super Saiyan forms). That entry says absolutely NOTHING along the lines of "Ultimate and Super Saiyan stack", like you said it did. As Kaboom pointed out, it simply says "he has Super Saiyan" and "he hasn't neglected his training". That's it. So yeah, saying that the guidebooks said that they stacked is an outright lie.

[ZombieVito]

Still Rildo is > Kid Buu at least.

[RandomGuy96]

Still Rildo is > Kid Buu at least.

No, not really. He just said "Majin Buu", we don't know exactly which Buu. I do think it was Pure Buu, but that's not a fact or anything.

[ZombieVito]

It has to be kid at least. Goku thinks Mr. Buu is nothing special at EoZ.

[RandomGuy96]

It has to be kid at least. Goku thinks Mr. Buu is nothing special at EoZ.

I fail to see how this has any relevance when Goku just says a very general "he's even stronger than Majin Buu".

[hleV]

Would Goku say that Rildo is stronger than Boo if Boo was stronger than Rildo?