"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Post by Will » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:54 pm

LightBing wrote:This chapter might be the last we see of Future Trunks. Toyotarõ said his ending would be different than the anime. I would rather Trunks just died than a cop-out as living in another timeline, just to have a twisted happy ending.
He just said :"The rest of the “Future Trunks arc” will take a slightly different approach with how things play out, compared to the TV anime."
He didn't said that the ending specifically will be different, there will probably be just minor change like we already saw with Ssj Black.

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Post by SansrivaaL » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:59 pm

Black still op as fck in the manga, dude stomped SSJB Vegeta in his SSJ form to the point of forcing him to take a senzu, and after kicking his ass again, he goes SSJRose, sadistic bastard.
Zamasu can actually handle SSJB Goku? but later Goku reverts to SSJ... whats going on?
Trunks death flag, I'd prefer him dying than how the anime handled it.

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Post by LightBing » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:02 pm

Will wrote:
LightBing wrote:This chapter might be the last we see of Future Trunks. Toyotarõ said his ending would be different than the anime. I would rather Trunks just died than a cop-out as living in another timeline, just to have a twisted happy ending.
He just said :"The rest of the “Future Trunks arc” will take a slightly different approach with how things play out, compared to the TV anime."
He didn't said that the ending specifically will be different, there will probably be just minor change like we already saw with Ssj Black.
Thank you, I stand corrected. Trunks dying still fits the "different approach" he mentions. I would assume that not all the changes are small, otherwise he didn't even need to mention it. Since the manga by design already has small differences from the anime.

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Post by FireFly » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:08 pm

Why the hell did Goku transform down to SSj1? Wouldn't that be extremely taxing on his stamina, even assuming he thought Zamasu was down for the count? I mean Black was right there, kicking Vegeta's ass that very moment.

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Post by Kanassa » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:15 pm

LightBing wrote:This chapter might be the last we see of Future Trunks. Toyotarõ said his ending would be different than the anime. I would rather Trunks just died than a cop-out as living in another timeline, just to have a twisted happy ending.
F!Trunks is one of my favourite characters in the franchise. I doubt Toyo would kill him off, but if he did? I... Wouldn't care. In the manga version at least, unless they pull off something amazing in the next chapter.
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Post by zamasu121 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:21 pm

FireFly wrote:Why the hell did Goku transform down to SSj1? Wouldn't that be extremely taxing on his stamina, even assuming he thought Zamasu was down for the count? I mean Black was right there, kicking Vegeta's ass that very moment.
This is clearly some great writing from our boy Toyotaro. :lol: :lol:

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Post by Mazingerdestro » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:24 pm

Grimlock wrote:The manga is out. It seems Goku and Vegeta return to the present even though Goku doesn't know how to operate the Time Machine.
I think I saw somewhere that the time machine works like a car. Goku is a great driver
Also manga Goku aka buu saga Goku is a mature adult. He knows how to act and react according to situations.

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Post by FireFly » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:25 pm

zamasu121 wrote:
FireFly wrote:Why the hell did Goku transform down to SSj1? Wouldn't that be extremely taxing on his stamina, even assuming he thought Zamasu was down for the count? I mean Black was right there, kicking Vegeta's ass that very moment.
This is clearly some great writing from our boy Toyotaro. :lol: :lol:
Unless he was planning to waste a Senzu it makes no sense :angel:

I guess Toyo might've had him power down to explain how Zamasu was able to hold him down, but we've seen a SSJ2 get restricted by Kaioshin before so it's not impossible for Zamasu to hold a SSJ Blue really.

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Post by Basako » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:32 pm

Oh my godness, seeing it complete and in order makes a big difference. With translations will be bigger, there is a lot to read in there.

For start, the rings, six of them. But not gonna assume anything till we have the translations. Two possibilities, one of the is new or there is one more because Black brought one with him.

Power levels, we have more information now. The thing is, we are dealing with an incredible Zenkai boost ability for Black, the first cure makes him superior to Vegeta SSB in SS1/2 and the second unlocks his SSR. Vegeta had no chance. This also can explain how in base he could be stronger than Trunks SS2. And, yes, Vegeta's SS2 is superior to Trunks's. I was gonna rant the power levels, but they are not that bad. The question is, why is Black's Zenkai so effective? Well, the best I can say is that a Kaioshin in a saiyan body things work different, like the hair, for the better in this case.

The plan to distract the enemies and let Goku and Vegeta escape nice too. But Mai and Trunks are so screwed, he has really no way out.
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Post by mute_proxy » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:44 pm

Basako wrote:For start, the rings, six of them. But not gonna assume anything till we have the translations. Two possibilities, one of the is new or there is one more because Black brought one with him.
I think it's a new one created when Beerus killed Zamasu. Zamasu looks surprised

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Post by Basako » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:47 pm

mute_proxy wrote:
Basako wrote:For start, the rings, six of them. But not gonna assume anything till we have the translations. Two possibilities, one of the is new or there is one more because Black brought one with him.
I think it's a new one created when Beerus killed Zamasu. Zamasu looks surprised
Yeah, the surprise in Zamasu makes me think that too. But I prefer to wait to the translations before making conclusions.
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Post by OLKv3 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:48 pm

Basako wrote:
mute_proxy wrote:
Basako wrote:For start, the rings, six of them. But not gonna assume anything till we have the translations. Two possibilities, one of the is new or there is one more because Black brought one with him.
I think it's a new one created when Beerus killed Zamasu. Zamasu looks surprised
Yeah, the surprise in Zamasu makes me think that too. But I prefer to wait to the translations before making conclusions.
It has to be that, it's the same thing as in the anime, the manga is just actually showing it existing while in the anime Whis told us at the end of the arc
I love that Zamasu has all of the Kibito-Kai abilities.

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Post by The gr » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:52 pm

TheMikado wrote:
LightBing wrote:This chapter might be the last we see of Future Trunks. Toyotarõ said his ending would be different than the anime. I would rather Trunks just died than a cop-out as living in another timeline, just to have a twisted happy ending.
I agree. Him dying but the future being saved would elevate Future Trunks for me and means there's an Earth without saiyans now.
If that happens :cry: I'm gonna cry everyday because he didn't even use the ass pull powers :cry:
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:55 pm

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TheMikado wrote:
LightBing wrote:This chapter might be the last we see of Future Trunks. Toyotarõ said his ending would be different than the anime. I would rather Trunks just died than a cop-out as living in another timeline, just to have a twisted happy ending.
I agree. Him dying but the future being saved would elevate Future Trunks for me and means there's an Earth without saiyans now.
If that happens :cry: I'm gonna cry everyday because he didn't even use the ass pull powers :cry:
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Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:56 pm

After reading the whole chapter in order, I gotta say, this is one of the best chapters that Toyotaro has done so far, if not the best. I loved Future Trunks using the solar flare to escape and the decoys that Mai and Future Trunks made to fool Goku Black and Zamasu to allow Goku and Vegeta to escape was fantastic and a great bit of strategy. Zamasu using his telekinetic powers was also a great bonus. I don't know how Zamasu knew what senzu beans were, but him destroying them was another cool moment. I can't wait to find out the translations for this.

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Post by Basako » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:05 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:After reading the whole chapter in order, I gotta say, this is one of the best chapters that Toyotaro has done so far, if not the best. I loved Future Trunks using the solar flare to escape and the decoys that Mai and Future Trunks made to fool Goku Black and Zamasu to allow Goku and Vegeta to escape was fantastic and a great bit of strategy. Zamasu using his telekinetic powers was also a great bonus. I don't know how Zamasu knew what senzu beans were, but him destroying them was another cool moment. I can't wait to find out the translations for this.
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Post by emperior » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:27 pm

Awesome chapter. Toyotaro is really stepping up his game.
I still don't get if Mai is supposed to be the last earthling alive in the future.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:28 pm

emperior wrote:I still don't get if Mai is supposed to be the last earthling alive in the future.
I doubt it.
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Post by SansrivaaL » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:30 pm

I have a feeling that Goku powered down from SSJB to SSJ after Zamasu got stabbed because he thought he was dead, he probably didnt know that Zamasu was immortal yet.

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Post by Doctor. » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:33 pm

We don't have translations yet, but the chapter seems solid.

Something's very questionable, why the hell would Goku go back to Super Saiyan 1? Just seems like a stupid way to move the plot forward and make him lose.

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