The entry that said he doesn't have the same Battle Power is about his SSjin 2.lash wrote:You pretty much just ended your own argument.
p123 seems to get it. Gohan's Ki was weaker not only because he couldn't gain power from anger, but ALSO because he hadn't been training. This is directly made evident by Vegeta in the manga(Vegeta: “…Hmph…That bastard, he was far, far better when he killed Cell. It’s because he slacked off in his training during peacetime…”) and that same Daizenshuu entry states it too.
Enraged SSjin 2 Chibi Gohan > SSjin 2 Teen Gohan >= SSjin 2 Chibi Gohan
Him not training is important because if he had trained for the past 7 years he wouldn't need rage to push his SSjin 2 to the level it was when he was enraged against Cell. As it stands, he didn't train anywhere near enough to be able to access that power without rage and he couldn't gain the power from rage either as a teen so his SSjin 2 power is only half of what it was 7 years ago.
He's weaker but he didn't GET weaker. Neither the Daizenshuu nor the manga says he GOT weaker. The Daizenshuu flat-out says about his base form that his strength didn't change and the manga only says he was stronger and hints multiple times that he'd be able to put out the power he did 7 years ago, if not more, if he taps into his rage like he did 7 years ago.lash wrote:It doesn't need to be downright stated. Gohan isn't as strong as he was 7 years ago. Therefore the only other reasonable conclusion to make is that he is weaker, right? Especially knowing that Gohan can't gain power from anger, AND hasn't been training.
Yet his highest reading on Earth was 2,800 and he never got a reading close to 2,800 on Namek until the Great Elder gave him a power-up. So by this logic he DID get much weaker from Earth to Namek. It's the exact same situation as Cell/Boo Gohan. He couldn't use rage to push his power up to the level it was before and he didn't do anywhere near enough training to be able to access that power without rage.lash wrote:That has nothing to do with this. 1 month is absolutely irrelevant compared to 7 years. Furthermore, Gohan's 2,800 was risen by anger and a Masenko...nothing says his ~1,500 burst was even his full power. It's simply not a fair comparison. To wrap it up, Gohan trained on his way to Namek anyway, so this argument doesn't even hold.
Vegeta was at 18,000 on Earth. Kiwi was also at 18,000 and considered Vegeta his rival and expected him to still be at 18,000. Neither Vegeta nor Nappa ever said anything about weakening from spending a year hibernating either.lash wrote:Prove it. How do you know? Furthermore how do you know he doesn't exercise every once in awhile in his suppression? How do you know Vegeta and Nappa didn't get a bit weaker? You shouldn't make assumptions like that without real backup; how do you know Cold and Kaioshin don't?
Again, prove it. Gohan completely shuts that claim down. He isn't as strong as he once was because he can't gain power from anger, AND because he hasn't been training. It couldn't be more clearer...at least to me.
We're never shown or even given hints that Freeza ever exercised. All we're ever shown is him sitting around suppressed and having his henchmen do EVERYTHING for him. I didn't say Cold and Kaioshin never trained. All I'm saying is that it's never suggested anywhere that they did train.
As I said above, Gohan isn't as strong as he was because he couldn't tap into his rage like he did 7 years ago and he didn't train anywhere near enough to be able to use that power without rage. Couldn't be more clearer to me either. Ki is spiritual energy, not a muscle, thus it doesn't make any sense to me for it to atrophy.
