The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[hleV]

don't have a problem with people having their opinion, as long as they don't claim stuff the way you do.

The way I do? All I said is that we have proof to support one case and none (at least that clear) to support the other?
Simply with what's in the story.

No, you implied that Goku coming up with a better plan for training ONCE is enough to say that Goku would always train more efficiently than Vegeta under same conditions. THAT is only a matter of opinion, which, going by the arguments I provided, may very well be wrong.

[Silkman3003]

Okay, what about

Janemba(With his sword) vs Buutenks

Comparison Video:
Janemba vs Ssj3 goku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiSJ92pXqa0
Buutenks vs Ssj3 goku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUf0hjdrMx8

[FNF]

Argh, using filler fights <<<.

However in this case, it does have some relevance and by some, I mean none at all lol.

The anime is so indecisive when it comes to giving SSjin3 Goku an appropriate pl.

In the Buutenks fight[filler], Gohan appeared to have fought against Buutenks better than SSjin3 Goku.
Later on however, MSSjin Goku could fight Gohan and then he fought well against the 'Strongest Buu'[anime] (stronger than Buuhan, Buutenks, Evil Buu etc).

Anime power chain goes;
SSjin3 Goku>Pure Buu>SSjin2 Goku>/~Buuhan>MSSjin Goku~Buutenks>Gohan>South Buu>SSjin3 Goku>Buucollo>Evil Buu~SSjin3 Gotenks>MSSjin Gotenks>base Gotenks>MSSjin Gotenks(pre RoSaT)~/>SSjin3 Goku>Fat Buu>base Gotenks(pre RoSaT)>SSjin2 Goku/Majin Vegeta etc, etc, etc

The consistency is phenomenal /sarcasm

In short, it's hard to use the Buutenks fight as a comparison.

[Kaboom]

Ignoring inconclusive and wishy-washy instances of "anime hax," I say Janemba gets pwned. I consider him to be more or less the movie equivalent of Evil Boo (in terms of role and power; I think he's a pretty good example of how full-power Goku would fare against Evil Boo), whom was already essentially even with Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. Absorbing Gotenks will double Boo's power, thus giving him a huge advantage over Janemba.

[Saiga]

If we ignore Goku's part in the battle against Hildegaan, who do you think would win out of him and Buuhan? Hildegaan beats Ultimate Gohan easier than Buutenks did, IMO.

[dbgtFO]

If we ignore Goku's part in the battle against Hildegaan, who do you think would win out of him and Buuhan? Hildegaan beats Ultimate Gohan easier than Buutenks did, IMO.

Well Hildegarn attacked Gohan from behind, so I wouldn't say it's that comparable to Gohan's fight with Gotenks-Buu.
That said I tend to consider movie villains stronger than the villains from the Arc the movies were supposed to mimic unless otherwise noted, so Hildergarn was stronger than Buu and if Toei's nonsensical filler land was accounted for as well that'd mean Gohan-Buu < Pure Buu < Hildegarn.

I think Hildegarn would take this easily.

[Silkman3003]

If we ignore Goku's part in the battle against Hildegaan, who do you think would win out of him and Buuhan? Hildegaan beats Ultimate Gohan easier than Buutenks did, IMO.

Most likely Buuhan.

First form Hirudegarn was already giving the Z gang trouble. Once Hirudegarn transformed, shit instantly got real.

He knocked Ssj3 Gotenks out of his fusion. A simple tail swipe into a building that barely broke, easily bested Mystic Gohan to the point where he couldn't fight back anymore. Hell before that, Gohan barely fought against him. The only other time he fought Hirudegarn was when he was in his 1st form, and when he grabbed Gohan for a second before Vegeta saved him) .

6:08-6:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8U2MLJ-Yp8

The issue is...Buuhan could do the same. Super Buu with Gotenks was already ahead of Mystic Gohan, and hes much stronger than Gotenks. Hell Buutenks was practically toying with Gohan for the majority of the fight. Now, you put a much stronger Buu? I don't see why a serious Buuhan couldn't do the same thing.


The main issue with Hirudegarn is that he has a weakness. When he attacks, he instantly becomes solid. Which means he can't use his intangability.

http://i.imgur.com/iI6Pg.png

Quite frankly, if Goku could tank hits from Hirudegarn with little issue(unlike Gotenks and Gohan) I don't see why Buuhan couldn't do the same . Even if you want to ignore goku , Buuhan would likely figure out his weakness(ala piccolo's brain)Hell, he could probably trick Hirudegarn into attacking, dodge, and then Candy Beam him.

Or trick him into attacking, and then go right through Hirudegarn.

[Nineteen]

Tullece (1st Fruit) vs. Salsa, Neiz and Dore

[Kaboom]

Tullece (1st Fruit) vs. Salsa, Neiz and Dore

That's easy.

Goku's base battle power against Tullece was "30,000 and rising." After eating a fruit, Tullece became so strong that even with the Kaio-Ken x10, Goku got smacked down, and easily. So Tullece's battle power is now significantly above 300,000. He's probably on par with 1st-form Freeza, or maybe even stronger than that.

Sauzer, Neiz, and Dore's official battle powers are 170,000, 163,000, and 185,000, respectively.

So... Tullece laughs gleefully as he schools all three of them at once.

[Saiga]

Super Saiyan Bardock (Episode of Bardock) vs Tullece with 1 Fruit vs First form Freeza.

Who takes it?

[Nineteen]

Heh, alright:

Goku (Ginyu Battle, with Kaio-ken up to x5) vs. First-form Freeza

[Kaboom]

Goku (Ginyu Battle, with Kaio-ken up to x5) vs. First-form Freeza

Also easy. Goku's base power at the time is roughly 90,000. Times 5 is about 450,000, compared to Freeza's 530,000. So we're going to have a repeat of Goku's uphill battle against Vegeta back on Earth, where with the basic power-doubling Kaio-Ken he could only get almost as strong as Vegeta, and only in short bursts. So likewise, it's not going to do any lasting good here either, and Freeza wins.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Super Saiyan Bardock (Episode of Bardock) vs Tullece with 1 Fruit vs First form Freeza.

Who takes it?

Freeza wins.

Heh, alright:

Goku (Ginyu Battle, with Kaio-ken up to x5) vs. First-form Freeza

And Freeza wins again.

[Silkman3003]

I got another one!

Piccolo(android saga, before Kami fusion) vs Ssj Goku(Namek)

[Nineteen]

I got another one!

Piccolo(android saga, before Kami fusion) vs Ssj Goku(Namek)

I've got the characters at 135,000,000 and 150,000,000, respectively, but I think that Piccolo's unique skillset, coupled with his regenerative powers, allow him to eke out a win more often than not.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I have this Piccolo above Super Saiyan Goku after returning from Yardrat, so he'd have no trouble defeating this version of Goku.

[In Brightest Day]

While everyone is going at it, I'll throw another fight out.


Hirudegarn vs. Oozaru Vegeta from the Saiyan arc.

Obviously, they're at equal power levels.

[Kaboom]

Piccolo(android saga, before Kami fusion) vs Ssj Goku(Namek)

Whether Piccolo's stronger than Goku at that point, or just a little bit behind, he's definitely within that range of power. Even if he's at a bit of a power disadvantage, his power would be more, how should I say it... "stable," I suppose, than a newly-transformed Goku. That along with his regeneration and other special abilities would tip the odds in Piccolo's favor.

Hirudegarn vs. Oozaru Vegeta from the Saiyan arc.
Obviously, they're at equal power levels.

The Ozaru transformation is all about gaining raw bulk and power, but Vegeta doesn't have much else going for him aside from that. Hildegarn, however, has some wicked abilities like his smokey teleportation. Even that alone would give him a serious tactical edge over Vegeta, and despite being a monster, Hildy actually seems intelligent enough to take advantage of that.

[Saiga]

I got another one!

Piccolo(android saga, before Kami fusion) vs Ssj Goku(Namek)

Goku.

[Nineteen]

Let's do some henchmen battles.

1. A Saibaman vs. one of Dr. Wheelo's Biomen (not the three distinct Bio-Warriors, but the Saibamen rip-offs)

2. Medamatcha vs. Raisin and Lakasei

3. Bojack's crew vs. the Cell Jrs.