Did you literally just bring Hitler into the discussion?Raykugen wrote:You know, if Hitler killed a lot of people, but he cared about his family, he wasn't pure evil
Episode of Bardock: Giant On-Going Manga + Anime Discussion
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Hitler wasn't risen with the ideology that killing others as a job wasn't a bad thing, and Bardock's reason for killing wasn't hatred. You can't compare Bardock & Hitler.Raykugen wrote:You know, if Hitler killed a lot of people, but he cared about his family, he wasn't pure evil
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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If they do a second episode then I hope that's the last of it. SSj3 and SSj4 Bardock will be really pushing it.
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Him meeting the original Saiya race might be a possibility now that he's in the past.
Check out Journey's End, a short story of Goku and Vegeta's final days. "Time is running out for the last two Saiyans"
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So, the main site mentions that the Super Kanzenban will have Episode of Bardock, and a Toriyama interview. So, it won't have more manga from Ooshi after all?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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We don't know.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, the main site mentions that the Super Kanzenban will have Episode of Bardock, and a Toriyama interview. So, it won't have more manga from Ooshi after all?
"Super Kanzenban" would seem to imply that there's something about it that makes it "super", but is the Toriyama Q&A enough? I have no idea.
We'll find out in another four days, though.
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If it helps any, there was some news about the Episode of Bardock "Super Kanzenban" in next month's Saikyo Jump put up on the main Heroes site, but there probably isn't any new information...
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The way the whole volume looks makes me consider this as an extra volume of the original manga, and the fact that it was covered in the manga-guidebook Chozenshuu 1 leads me to believe that this is how Shueisha views it as well.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Hopefully Toriyama will give his opinion about the episode and clarify the amount of involvement he had with it.
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I kind of feel you on this, but I think it's pretty easy to figure he doesn't have a thing to do with it. I'd be surprised if he's even aware of the whole Dragon Ball Heroes sub-franchise, generally speaking.Luso Saiyan wrote:Hopefully Toriyama will give his opinion about the episode and clarify the amount of involvement he had with it.
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I agree he probably had no real involvement with Episode of Bardock, but I would assumed he'd have to be somewhat aware of it and Heroes in general. He was asked to design Chilled and the inhabitants of planet Plant after all, so there is no reason for him not to have known that the special exists at least (outside of forgetting it), even if he does not really know what it is about. Also, even if no one from the other rights holders talks to him about Heroes, commercials for the game do run on TV over in Japan.Duo wrote:I kind of feel you on this, but I think it's pretty easy to figure he doesn't have a thing to do with it. I'd be surprised if he's even aware of the whole Dragon Ball Heroes sub-franchise, generally speaking.
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Wait, he designed the Plantians as well?!TheDevilsCorpse wrote:He was asked to design Chilled and the inhabitants of planet Plant after all
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well, they are in the Chogashu and I'm assuming he didn't draw them for some other reason...DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Wait, he designed the Plantians as well?!TheDevilsCorpse wrote:He was asked to design Chilled and the inhabitants of planet Plant after all
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I see... Must be his then.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Akira Toriyama creates Gine (ギネ), Son Goku's mother. It's been published in the "Super Kanzenban" interview: http://www.misiontokyo.com/noticias/136 ... e-son-goku ¡Confirmed! The design will be presented in the collected volume of Jaco.
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So what is "Gine" a pun on?MrKaytos wrote:Akira Toriyama creates Gine (ギネ), Son Goku's mother. It's been published in the "Super Kanzenban" interview: http://www.misiontokyo.com/noticias/136 ... e-son-goku ¡Confirmed! The design will be presented in the collected volume of Jaco.
Is it some japanese or chinese Word? Because I can't seem to recall an English vegetable with "Gine" in it.
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It's a very simple Toriyama-style pun. Swap the syllables and you get ネギ (negi), or "green onions / scallions".
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Thanks.
As I saw in that other thread dedicated to this new information, people in English speaking countries could think it might be a pun on Aubergine(eggplant) without Toriyama actually intending it as such.
As I saw in that other thread dedicated to this new information, people in English speaking countries could think it might be a pun on Aubergine(eggplant) without Toriyama actually intending it as such.
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So, we can appreciate that there are three theories regarding Gine's name:
1-Negi (green onion)
2-AuberGINE (an eggplant synonym)
3-Giné in Greek means "woman" (though this is not related to vegetables and the Saiya-jin terminology of that kind)
1-Negi (green onion)
2-AuberGINE (an eggplant synonym)
3-Giné in Greek means "woman" (though this is not related to vegetables and the Saiya-jin terminology of that kind)
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I don't think it's even worth entertaining #2 and #3 there. They're stretches. Occam's razor here, folks.
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