The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) What if Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon had happened before Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods?

2) What if Dragon Ball Z: Broly, The Second Coming happened after Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F?

[Sailor Haumea]

What if Arale Norimaki was one of the Z-Fighters?

[Sailor Haumea]

1) What if Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon had happened before Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods?

2) What if Dragon Ball Z: Broly, The Second Coming happened after Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F?

The first one did happen before...

The second one would result in Broly getting his ass kicked.

[TheUltimateNinja]

1) What if Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon had happened before Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods?

2) What if Dragon Ball Z: Broly, The Second Coming happened after Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F?

1) Goku would have a new attack to fail horribly against Beerus.

2) Broly would be obliterated from existence in an instant.

[Steven Bloodriver]

What if Arale Norimaki was one of the Z-Fighters?

Then even the strongest of the effeminate villains currently dominating the Z Fighters would fall before her awesome pretend Wrestling might.

[Steven Bloodriver]

There's no way that would work, they're not like full blooded saiyans who're always looking for a challenge, in fact Bra doesn't even like to fight.

Okay, then... Plan B!

Before I would fight them, I go into a hot spring containing a multitude of Lazarus Crystals and the roots of a single wild Senzu Beansprout. The rejuvenation properties of both then instantly revive and strengthen the genes of my dying Human body, evolving me into a Saiyan. In fact, the Zenkai I would gain following my rebirth would make me far superior to even the World Champion, Hercule. Alas, then I would have used my connections, so that I could have borrowed a Turbo Morpher and shifted into turbo, and become the Red Turbo Ranger.

But since I still would have been completely no match for either Lady Bra or Lady Pan, I would have done my absolute best to at least entertain them.

How on Earth would you evolve into a Saiyan?

In the Dragon World, anything is possible.

[Anime Kitten]

What if Videl had stayed in martial arts even past Battle of Gods?

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) What if Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon had happened before Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods?

2) What if Dragon Ball Z: Broly, The Second Coming happened after Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F?

1) Goku would have a new attack to fail horribly against Beerus.

2) Broly would be obliterated from existence in an instant.

1) I doubt Hakaishin Beerus would walk off from Super Saiyan 3 Goku's Dragon Fist if he had been suppressed when Goku would hit him with it.

2) By who?

[Steven Bloodriver]

What if Videl had stayed in martial arts even past Battle of Gods?

Then Gohan might have been pressured by her enough to stay in training.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) What if DanielSSJ turned out to be Luffy from One Piece?

2) What if Vegeta did the Bingo Dance to distract Kid Buu while SSJ3 Goku powered up to his max?

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Videl had stayed in martial arts even past Battle of Gods?

She would still be irrelevant.

1) What if Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon had happened before Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods?

2) What if Dragon Ball Z: Broly, The Second Coming happened after Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F?

1) Goku would have a new attack to fail horribly against Beerus.

2) Broly would be obliterated from existence in an instant.

1) I doubt Hakaishin Beerus would walk off from Super Saiyan 3 Goku's Dragon Fist if he had been suppressed when Goku would hit him with it.

2) By who?

1) Beerus was completely unaffected by Goku's attacks to the extent that Goku thought even Super Vegetto wouldn't be enough to beat him, the dragon fist would be totally ineffective.

2) Quite a few people could do it. Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, Whis, Gohan, Gotenks.

[TheUltimateNinja]

1) What if DanielSSJ turned out to be Luffy from One Piece?

2) What if Vegeta did the Bingo Dance to distract Kid Buu while SSJ3 Goku powered up to his max?

1) It would be really weird.

2) He would get killed.

[nickzambuto]

SSJ3 is 4x stronger than SSJ2, Goku would get killed if he didn't have SSJ3.

The actual story didn't treat it as such. Case in point, what I already mentioned; Vegeta was able to battle Fat Boo for about as long as Goku would need to in order to keep him from going after Trunks. Keep in mind, it's not like SSJ3 is the minimum requirement for keeping up with Fat Boo. Goku was actually a considerable bit stronger in that form and simply didn't intend to battle the Majin seriously, he was merely stalling him. So even taking the multiplier as canon, it's perfectly reasonable for a SSJ2 character to hold Fat Boo off.

That said, I definitely don't take the multipliers as 100% concrete canon. I think they're just something of a guideline to look at, not set in stone. Looking at Toriyama's writings, clearly, transforming into a Super Saiyan isn't as simple as multiplying your base battle power by 50, unendingly, unchangingly. Super Saiyan had a limit that necessitated the discovery of new forms, and oftentimes characters are shown training IN their Super Saiyan form, when if it simply multiplied your base no matter what, training your base would be a much smarter choice.

Looking at SSJ3 specifically, I feel the leap from 1 to 2 was way more significant than 2 to 3, what with Gohan not merely oneshotting, but literally obliterating the bodies of Cell Jrs who were likely as strong or even a little stronger than his SSJ1 self just by transforming, only for Cell to see this and laugh and remain confident he can win at full power, only for the power of Super Saiyan 2 to demolish him as well and Gohan not even needing to put much effort into it.

Compare that to SSJ2 to 3. The only quantifiable comparison we can make is that Fat Boo was considerably stronger than SSJ2 Goku, but SSJ3 Goku was considerably stronger than Fat Boo. That's not even close to Gohan outright obliterating Cell Jrs, let alone the further stuff.

Yet the multiplies say 3 is a bigger multiplier than 2? I take the events of the story over that guidebook which wasn't even written by Toriyama.

[I don't think the SSJ2 to SSJ3 boost is quite as large as the SSJ1 to SSJ2 boost. Just look at how long Vegeta held Boo off for, he put in a beyond valiant effort, and he was dead serious. Goku meanwhile could potentially appeal to Boo's naivety and their shared goofiness and survive by having Boo toy with him, not to mention his enhanced durability with the dead body. It'll be a lot more painful, but I think it's possible for him to take Boo's attention long enough for Trunks to do his thing.

Regardless though, IIRC, Goku left for Otherworld almost immediately after getting back to the Lookout. There was no further training from him, that's when Piccolo picked things up, so even if Goku were to die and vanish from existence, Piccolo could just resume. Then we'd get Gotenks and... Boo absorbs him to beat Gohan, like you said...

I usually go by the SEG multipliers but one thing you need to remember about Vegeta vs Boo is that Toriyama clearly hadn't thought of SS3 at that point so he probably didn't think to have Vegeta get completely stomped like he later is against Kid Boo who's of comparable power to Fat Boo.

I think Goku's survival might depend on if he spams IT like the did with Beerus in the BoG movie, the trouble with this is that Boo can learn moves immediately so if he starts spamming IT to counter Goku then Goku's pretty thoroughly screwed. He also doesn't show the boys how to perform the dance so unless he lets Piccolo read his mind before he leaves to fight Boo, they can't do fusion.

Hence why I think Gohan will ultimately be the one to stomp Boo though I imagine a lot more good guys dying in this scenario before he can do it. Goku could potentially get wiped out of existence entirely here too.

That doesn't really change the fact Vegeta DID do admirably against Fat Boo. I would understand your point if later events hard-contradicted this, but your example of Pure Boo stomping Vegeta isn't hard. Pure Boo could have been prolonging the fight more. Pure Boo could be stronger than Fat Boo. I could even argue that the length of time Vegeta held Kid Boo's attention, if Goku can replicate it against Fat Boo, would be enough. All of these are possible.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) What if DanielSSJ turned out to be Luffy from One Piece?

2) What if Vegeta did the Bingo Dance to distract Kid Buu while SSJ3 Goku powered up to his max?

1) It would be really weird.

2) He would get killed.

1) So having Noah from Yugioh! as a fellow Kanzenshuu Forum User isn't too?

2) Nah, this is Kid Buu we are talking about. He would either laugh it off or even join in dancing too.

3) Even so, what if Goten had joined his father and Vegeta to train under Whis before Resurrection F?

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Arale Norimaki was one of the Z-Fighters?

Every villain in the series would be destroyed easily.

[Alruneia]

What if you had to choose between Bra and Pan if each wanted to have you as a boyfriend?

What would you do if GT Bulla and Pan both tried to pick a fight with you?

You guys.
The first case would seriously depend on which Pan and Bulla we're talking about. Canon, alarm bells. GT, alarm bells. Dragon Ball Multiverse, Pan because Multiverse Bra a shit. If they're both from Age 800 so they're of legal age, we don't have a clue what they're supposed to be like. Though I guess it's a kinda safe bet that Pan would be too busy training to maintain a healthy relationship. See Goku and Chi-Chi. So I'd go with Bulla. This is, of course, if all three of us swing that way, which I'm fairly certain we don't.

As for the second case, I'd try to avoid conflict as best I can. It only says they're trying to pick a fight, not that I have to fight them. People who try to pick fights usually have some kind of reason, so by avoiding that reason things should be fine. To loosely quote Vegeta in Xenoverse: "All I can do now... is simply wait for them to leave."

[Steven Bloodriver]

What if you had to choose between Bra and Pan if each wanted to have you as a boyfriend?

What would you do if GT Bulla and Pan both tried to pick a fight with you?

You guys.
The first case would seriously depend on which Pan and Bulla we're talking about. Canon, alarm bells. GT, alarm bells. Dragon Ball Multiverse, Pan because Multiverse Bra a shit. If they're both from Age 800 so they're of legal age, we don't have a clue what they're supposed to be like. Though I guess it's a kinda safe bet that Pan would be too busy training to maintain a healthy relationship. See Goku and Chi-Chi. So I'd go with Bulla. This is, of course, if all three of us swing that way, which I'm fairly certain we don't.

As for the second case, I'd try to avoid conflict as best I can. It only says they're trying to pick a fight, not that I have to fight them. People who try to pick fights usually have some kind of reason, so by avoiding that reason things should be fine. To loosely quote Vegeta in Xenoverse: "All I can do now... is simply wait for them to leave."

1) Sorry, but Anime Kitten, the Question Twister. Had distracted me with his Riddler-like method of turning one of my own questions into one of his own for me to have gone back and noticed, but both GT Pan and GT Bulla would be barely 18 years old.

2) Also for the second question, my Plan C!

Since even though my Plan B would help both young ladies warm up, I would need to pull out all the stops in order to win against Pan and Bulla. So before fighting them...

2-A) I would need the Dragon Radar.

2-B) I would go use the Black Star Dragon Balls.

2-C) I would wish to become the Saiyan incarnation of myself from Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Assault on the Inferno Nightmare Mission! both permanently and without consequence.

2--D) I would use the Dragon Radar to scour the Universe.

2-E) I would go return both the Dragon Radar and the Black Star Dragon Balls.

2-F)Then I would finally comply to Pan and Bulla.

[Anime Kitten]

Here's a serious one.
What if Goku had defeated Beerus in Battle of Gods?

[Steven Bloodriver]

Here's a serious one.
What if Goku had defeated Beerus in Battle of Gods?

When and where?

[Anime Kitten]

When and where?

At any point in the movie or arc. Presumably later on, though.