The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by rereboy » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:55 am

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Wasnt it stated that fusing with Satan would actually make a person weaker, or was that Dende?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:27 pm

Raditz vs Yamcha (Vegeta Arc)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:30 pm

Kakashi wrote:Raditz vs Yamcha (Vegeta Arc)

They're practically identical in raw power, so...

Option 1) Yamcha finds a way to lose because he's Yamcha.
Option 2) Yamcha ends up winning handily because he's got fancy Earth-skills like sensing ki and intensely amplified attacks, which Raditz doesn't.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:30 pm

Kakashi wrote:Raditz vs Yamcha (Vegeta Arc)
They're practically the exact same strength, and neither of them are very skilled at all. It all comes down to who is more of a bitch; if Raditz panics first at an equal power, Yamcha wins. If Yamcha panics, Raditz feels confident and he wins, due to superior physical attributes, as well as his armor.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:14 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Kakashi wrote:Raditz vs Yamcha (Vegeta Arc)
They're practically the exact same strength, and neither of them are very skilled at all.
How is Yamcha not skilled? He knows the Kamehameha, which amplifies his power over two times, he has the Shokidan, which is a powerful guided ki blast, and he also has the (Shin) Rogafufuken. Raditz doesn't have such techniques.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by Kid Buu » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:46 pm

Didn't Kami say Yamcha was a good fighter?
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Post by FireLordZuko » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:15 pm

FPSSJ Goku(Cell Games) vs East Kaioshin. I tend to see Kaioshin get shit on, but I think he's stronger than most people think. How do you think he fares?
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:25 pm

FireLordZuko wrote:FPSSJ Goku(Cell Games) vs East Kaioshin. I tend to see Kaioshin get shit on, but I think he's stronger than most people think. How do you think he fares?
Goku wins in the end, but not easily.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:34 pm

FireLordZuko wrote:FPSSJ Goku(Cell Games) vs East Kaioshin. I tend to see Kaioshin get shit on, but I think he's stronger than most people think. How do you think he fares?
They're pretty close in strength. Kaioshin takes it due to telekinesis and superior teleportation.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:38 pm

Boo Arc SSjin Gohan >>> East Kaioshin so Cell Games Goku stomps. Raditz is slightly stronger than a Saibamen while Yamcha who was 1,480 was quite superior to a Saibamen which proves Raditz is not 1,500
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Post by Kakashi » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:39 pm

Piccolo Daimao vs 23rd Budokai Yamcha
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:49 pm

King Kai vs Saiayan arc Humans with Roshii
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Post by Kakashi » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:53 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:King Kai vs Saiayan arc Humans with Roshii
Piccolo is not included? I have him equal to Kaio Sama and at 2,500

If Piccolo is not included so Kaio Sama wins
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Post by Kaboom » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:07 pm

If it's just the humans, then Kaio more than likely whoops all their asses at the same time. Kaio's officially got a power level of 3500, equal with Piccolo and closing in on Nappa, while the humans average around 1000 to 1500.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:24 pm

Kaboom wrote:If it's just the humans, then Kaio more than likely whoops all their asses at the same time. Kaio's officially got a power level of 3500, equal with Piccolo and closing in on Nappa, while the humans average around 1000 to 1500.
I have humans winning by luck(gag) like distracting Kaio with a joke.

Wait even with Piccolo?

Picoolo vs Kaio

Or

Nappa vs Kaio
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Post by Kakashi » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:04 pm

Kaboom wrote:If it's just the humans, then Kaio more than likely whoops all their asses at the same time. Kaio's officially got a power level of 3500, equal with Piccolo and closing in on Nappa, while the humans average around 1000 to 1500.
Tenshinhan=1,830
Krillin=1,770
Yamcha=1,480
Chaotzu=610 (too low IMO)
Roshi=139
Piccolo can't be 3,500. He is below Gohan's Masenko. 2,500 makes more sense
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Post by Saiga » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:12 pm

Kakashi wrote:Raditz vs Yamcha (Vegeta Arc)
Yamcha wins because he should be able to get a hold of Raditz's tail, and he knows of that weakness.

Remove the tail from the equation and Raditz narrowly wins.
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Post by Kakashi » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:25 pm

Saiga wrote:
Kakashi wrote:Raditz vs Yamcha (Vegeta Arc)
Yamcha wins because he should be able to get a hold of Raditz's tail, and he knows of that weakness.

Remove the tail from the equation and Raditz narrowly wins.
How? Yamcha is stronger than a Saibaman while Raditz is slightly stronger.

Yamcha=1,480
Raditz=1,250
Saibaman=1,200
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Post by Kaboom » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:38 pm

Kakashi wrote:How? Yamcha is stronger than a Saibaman while Raditz is slightly stronger.
Yamcha=1,480
Raditz=1,500
Saibaman=1,200
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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:19 pm

Kaio demolishes the humans.

Kaioshin beats Goku as he could restrain SSJ2 Gohan...so he shouldn't have too much of a problem holding Goku and beating him.
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