Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[Noah]

Super is a kids show that avoids showing violence. Having Brianne de Chateau been punched and kicked by Vegeta would be beyond brutal. I don't think that Vegeta will beat the shit out of Ribrianne but still it's way easier having her fighting than Brianne

Never in my life have I needed something so much and never known until I received it

Please Toei! Make it happen!

[KameNinja45]

It's very annoying to see people in the hispanic community who know nothing about animation criticizing it so hard and saying that animation in DBS still bad because of his "low budget'', even i read people saying that the animation was better before, and that the current animation is bad. I have no words...

I think is a general complain coming from ignorant people. It's not just from hispanic community, let's clear that out.

PS: can anyone get me a link for that brutal Tiger Mask fight that you're talking about? You're selling it pretty good, folks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my-KsYyAN6k
There's a first and second part. It's pretty bad.

[HeroR]

Yeah, that was an extremely biased and wrong analysis. Toppo isn't even a villain, that kids are supposed to fear. Being a hero is the freaking whole point of his character.
I doubt any kid feared villains like Android 19 or Buu, anyway. Definitely not more menacing than Black, Zamasu or Hit.
Death was brought up many times and we saw characters suffering, including one going through PTSD.

Two if you count Frieza. He had a PTSD attack when saw Gohan's mercy at Ginyu and went off. That's how Gohan got filled with holes. Also, unlike he movie, we get see everyone's final moments when Frieza destroyed the Earth, which includes baby Pan and Marron.

[Hit!!]

Guys i have a question..

Back when Super was about to start airing in July 2015, Toei released a promotional material, where some deleted scenes appeared in that promotional material. Scenes that were seemingly from far into the series or at least were intended to. For example, there was this quick scene where Beerus and whis were shown meeting with Champa and Vados, and in this scene, Champa is shown having this evil smile. Unfortunately, i can't find that video anywhere, but I'm almost sure most or some of you know what i'm talking about.

The thing is, the scene i'm talking about never appeared in any of the episodes, which means, that it was deleted and for some reason, was never used. This makes me think that maybe Super's pre production was a lot more dvanced than we thought and that for some reason, a big chunk of that pre produced material, was thrown away for some unknown reason. Because we didn't see champa in Super all the way till the end of the ROF arc and we didn't see Champa interacting with beerus until episode 28, where i suppose the deleted scene from the promotional material belonged in.

Now, that reminded me of a problem that happened very frequently in the first 3 arcs of Super, and it was that key animation was being thrown away at last minute, making the schedule a lot more complicated and making the animators have to make it all over again in a much shorter time span, resulting in rushed episodes with bad animation and uncorrected shots, no post production whatsoever and overall bad quality.

My question is. Are these 2 things related with one another?? Can someone explain to me why key animation was being discarded right before the episode airing?? And is there at least a theory as to why some scenes that were shown before the series even aired, never made it to the actual show?? Might this be the reason why Super was off to a rough start in terms of production??

It just makes me think that there was something else going on behind the scenes, something more to it other than Bandai wanting to make money and capitalize on the momentum of Resurrection of F's success.

Btw, the reason i'm asking these questions is because i know very little about Super's production and have been thinking about this issue the past few hours.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

It was never used in the show because it was promotional material. They weren't working on episode 28 half a year before it aired.

[Hit!!]

This is the deleted scene i'm talking about.


And champa's evil smile


This scene never appeared in the show.

[Hit!!]

It was never used in the show because it was promotional material. They weren't working on episode 28 half a year before it aired.

I think they were probably already working on the events that happened in episode 28 before Super airing (maybe it was intended to take place a lot sooner than it did), but there was a sudden change and everything went to hell.

Of course, i could be wrong.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I think they were probably already working on the events that happened in episode 28 before Super airing (maybe it was intended to take place a lot sooner than it did), but there was a sudden change and everything went to hell.

That doesn't line up with anything else we know, it's very unlikely. The footage was just made for a promo trailer.

[Ajay]

It's not just unlikely, it's just not the case whatsoever. It's very common for companies to animate extra promo material prior to the real products airing. Kyoto Animation do it all the time, and even to absurd levels of quality. Heck, Toei Animation have done it before each and every modern Dragon Ball film. It's just something to get some people excited - and in Super's case, it's there to show people, "Hey, we're not just retelling the movies!!!" There's no crazy conspiracy, it's just a marketing tactic.

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I have some slightly worrying news from Yong-ce Tu. He posted: "I expected the mass battle's production to go wrong, but I didn't think it'd happen so soon". So, uh... that's not great to hear. Hopefully the final results on screen don't reflect the craziness behind the scenes.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

I have some slightly worrying news from Yong-ce Tu. He posted: "I expected the mass battle's production to go wrong, but I didn't think it'd happen so soon". So, uh... that's not great to hear. Hopefully the final results on screen don't reflect the craziness behind the scenes.

Oh, well that's just great. Not really that surprised to be honest. I'm hoping that the show will focus more on specific fights rather than a cluster-fuck of people punching each other. That way the animation will hopefully look better due to it not being a larger scale of characters fighting on screen.

[Lord Beerus]

I have some slightly worrying news from Yong-ce Tu. He posted: "I expected the mass battle's production to go wrong, but I didn't think it'd happen so soon". So, uh... that's not great to hear. Hopefully the final results on screen don't reflect the craziness behind the scenes.

Oh, well that's just great. Not really that surprised to be honest. I'm hoping that the show will focus more on specific fights rather than a cluster-fuck of people punching each other. That way the animation will hopefully look better due to it not being a larger scale of characters fighting on screen.

Uh. I really didn't need to hear that update. The main tournament is going to make or break this whole arc and if it's underwhelming, it'll drag the whole perspective of this arc down several notches.

This does not bode well.

[emperior]

I swear I will be EXTREMELY pissed off if they mess up the tournament after those 10 weeks of filler after FT arc and all these sorta filler episodes we got in this arc so far.

Damn it, here goes all my optimism about the tournament being consistently good. It will probably be FT arc all over - bad/mediocre animation and art during "non-important" moments and awesome animation in a few important fights (especially the last one)

I'm crossing my fingers it won't be the case... or else doesn't matter how good this arc is story-wise because it will be ruined. I've been rewatching the U6 arc and I'm really pissed at the fact they ruined an enjoyable story with awful animation (I absolutely hate episode 33, shame they didn't fix it with the Blu-Ray release)

[Alruneia]

I have some slightly worrying news from Yong-ce Tu. He posted: "I expected the mass battle's production to go wrong, but I didn't think it'd happen so soon". So, uh... that's not great to hear. Hopefully the final results on screen don't reflect the craziness behind the scenes.

oh

Well, the flat "oh" is my first reaction, anyway, and I don't think I'm the only one to react like that. I also "expected the mass battle's production to go wrong", or at least I expect the end result to be relatively bad, but "I didn't think it'd happen so soon"? What could that mean? Will the animation quality fall apart during the first episode of the battle!? Surely they could knock out enough people quickly enough to not have dozens of fighters on screen at once, however cheap that may be. I've always expected them to move into more specific sub-battles (sub-battles such as Vegeta vs Ribrianne) relatively quickly so as to save effort, but now I'm not so sure anymore.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Slightly worrying? This does not sound slight... Eek. Well at least the Zen Exhibition matches were good.

[ArchedThunder]

I have some slightly worrying news from Yong-ce Tu. He posted: "I expected the mass battle's production to go wrong, but I didn't think it'd happen so soon". So, uh... that's not great to hear. Hopefully the final results on screen don't reflect the craziness behind the scenes.

Well fuck.
Hopefully things turn out okay.
Fingers crossed it's a specific episode or two that are having extra troubles and not the whole thing.
We're probably still 4 or 5 weeks away from the first episode of the battle royale, so hopefully things are sorted out okay.

[emperior]

If they can't handle the tournament animation they should buy 1 week of time by doing a re-cap episode.

[ArchedThunder]

If they can't handle the tournament animation they should buy 1 week of time by doing a re-cap episode.

It's a little late for that.

[PMD]

I have some slightly worrying news from Yong-ce Tu. He posted: "I expected the mass battle's production to go wrong, but I didn't think it'd happen so soon". So, uh... that's not great to hear. Hopefully the final results on screen don't reflect the craziness behind the scenes.

Oh, well.... uhmmm... shit.

I'm really looking forward to that battle royale tournament. They better not fuck it up after all this hype they just build with over 15 episodes prior to the main event.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

This is not too surprising, considering how messed up the production was since day one. Outsourcing the episodes to the different studios can only take you so far in trying to make them look pretty, when in the reality the key animators are struggling to keep up with the given schedule.

[perucho1990]

Why dont they just use stills for non important fights? Like for example when Murichim is fighting, or other fodders are fighting.

Another thing they could do is make more filler episodes until Tiger Mask W is over, and get some of their animators for help.