Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

It just dawned on me, if Hit is much stronger than he was at the tournament and SSJB Goku was able to match him, does this mean that Goku became way more than 10x stronger through off-screen training? And if that's the case, do you think this would explain how SSJB Goku was able to overpower and do some damage to Merged Zamasu when he went all out? I mean, SSJBKKx10 wasn't able to do much against Hit at the tournament, yet SSJB Goku in this case was able to leave Hit exhausted, even though it was basically a sparring match. So Goku must have made an increase amount of gains from the end of the tournament to the beginning of the Future Trunks arc for this to be the case.

[GodKaio-Ken]

It just dawned on me, if Hit is much stronger than he was at the tournament and SSJB Goku was able to match him, does this mean that Goku became way more than 10x stronger through off-screen training? And if that's the case, do you think this would explain how SSJB Goku was able to overpower and do some damage to Merged Zamasu when he went all out? I mean, SSJBKKx10 wasn't able to do much against Hit at the tournament, yet SSJB Goku in this case was able to leave Hit exhausted, even though it was basically a sparring match. So Goku must have made an increase amount of gains from the end of the tournament to the beginning of the Future Trunks arc for this to be the case.

Training as well as the fights with Black and Future Zamasu.

What you say makes logical sense in the way it was presented to us.

[SansrivaaL]

Instead of Goku getting a huge boost in power I think the reason why Goku was able to match Hit up despite being stronger now with new moves is because Goku got used to Hit, I'd rather take it as Goku getting his skills up and more sharper now than him actually being
Present SSJB Goku>KKx10 U6 Goku.

[ekrolo2]

Am I the only one who keeps wondering why Hit's Time Skip is called that when it comes off more like him freezing time in place for a bit to beat someone up instead.

[Abra kadabra]

Instead of Goku getting a huge boost in power I think the reason why Goku was able to match Hit up despite being stronger now with new moves is because Goku got used to Hit, I'd rather take it as Goku getting his skills up and more sharper now than him actually being
Present SSJB Goku>KKx10 U6 Goku.

He defeated hit by powering up....

[Bullza]

Why did Goku collapse at the end? Hr wasn't attacked was he? Didn't he just fire a Kamehameha?

And isn't Hits ability kind of like Obito's?

[Lord Beerus]

Why did Goku collapse at the end? Hr wasn't attacked was he? Didn't he just fire a Kamehameha?

And isn't Hits ability kind of like Obito's?

First off, Goku most likely collapsed due to putting everything he had in the Kamehameha to break through Hit's Time Skip.

And Hit's ability is essentially that he can manipulate time within his own pocket dimension and he has a limited radius that it can only be used in. It also be used a shield to protect from him from devastating attacks.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

People here aren't making any sense. Hit didn't use his Time skip to freeze Goku, so Goku didn't need to use SSB Kaioken to counter. It's really that simple. Goku didn't make any kind of multifold gains after the tournament.

[Helios518]

People here aren't making any sense. Hit didn't use his Time skip to freeze Goku, so Goku didn't need to use SSB Kaioken to counter. It's really that simple. Goku didn't make any kind of multifold gains after the tournament.

Even if he didn't use it, Goku outright said that not only is the technique better than Tokitobashi but Hit himself has improved a lot since the tournament.

[Bullza]

Well my interpretation of what was said and shown is that the time that Hit skips at 0.1-0.5 seconds at a time adds up each time he uses it and he's then able to use that stored time to put himself in some parallel world or something?

Then Goku powered up and broke this entire time barrier surrounding Hit so that he could no longer use any more of his stored time.

[HeroR]

So if Hit at the tournament was about on par with SSJB Goku Kaioken x10 and in this episode they say Hit is much stronger than he was at the tournament and SSJB Goku is about on par with him....wouldn't that also kinda mean that current SSJB Goku is stronger than his previous Kaioken x10 self?

I also have no idea what happened at the end of that fight so if that could be explained that'd be great.

Hit wasn't on par with Goku's Kaioken. He was overwhelmed by Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku before his Time-Skip improved. He couldn't even see Goku move when he used the basic Kaioken.

Goku is physically stronger than Hit. It his techniques that gives Goku's problems. The moment Goku got a solid hit on him, he was down compared to the numerous of attacks Goku took from Hit.

[Hugo Boss]

People here aren't making any sense. Hit didn't use his Time skip to freeze Goku, so Goku didn't need to use SSB Kaioken to counter. It's really that simple. Goku didn't make any kind of multifold gains after the tournament.

It was established from the beginning that only tokitobashi wouldn't work anyways. So, Hit used the abilities he didn't display at the Martial Arts Tournament. Obviously, if Hit is better and Goku matched him, Goku is better too.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

It was established from the beginning that only tokitobashi wouldn't work anyways. So, Hit used the abilities he didn't display at the Martial Arts Tournament. Obviously, if Hit is better and Goku matched him, Goku is better too.

Even if he didn't use it, Goku outright said that not only is the technique better than Tokitobashi but Hit himself has improved a lot since the tournament.

And? Hit getting stronger and having a technique better than Time skip doesn't imply any multifold gains on Goku's part. Nothing implying that Hit made multifold gains either. He was never on par with Super Saiyan Blue in raw power.

[Helios518]

It was established from the beginning that only tokitobashi wouldn't work anyways. So, Hit used the abilities he didn't display at the Martial Arts Tournament. Obviously, if Hit is better and Goku matched him, Goku is better too.

Even if he didn't use it, Goku outright said that not only is the technique better than Tokitobashi but Hit himself has improved a lot since the tournament.

And? Hit getting stronger and having a technique better than Time skip doesn't imply any multifold gains on Goku's part. Nothing implying that Hit made multifold gains either. He was never on par with Super Saiyan Blue in raw power.

Consider in the tournament Hit was able to get Tokitobashi to work SSJBKKx10 Goku but now he states it wouldn't even work on current SSJB Goku leans far more towards Goku has gotten stronger.On top of that, Tournament Hit was restrained but still could've defeated SSJBKKx10 Goku (He said so himself) but this one went all-out (or less restrained) but SSJB Goku could keep up with him.

Also Hit was never on par with SSJB? If he's not then he's very close to it considering he could react to one and take and deliver attacks to and from one.

[Bullza]

Looking at the end scene again it actually looks like...

1. Goku starts to power up.

2. Hit uses his new time storage ability to retreat back into his parallel world.

3. Goku's power behind to crack this parallel world dome thing that Hit is in.

4. Then when Goku uses the Kamehameha it completely shatters.

So basically he destroyed Hit's parallel world which probably at that point meant that Hit would have needed to store up time once again before making the dome.

[Hugo Boss]

It was established from the beginning that only tokitobashi wouldn't work anyways. So, Hit used the abilities he didn't display at the Martial Arts Tournament. Obviously, if Hit is better and Goku matched him, Goku is better too.

Even if he didn't use it, Goku outright said that not only is the technique better than Tokitobashi but Hit himself has improved a lot since the tournament.

And? Hit getting stronger and having a technique better than Time skip doesn't imply any multifold gains on Goku's part. Nothing implying that Hit made multifold gains either. He was never on par with Super Saiyan Blue in raw power.

Hit's strength is not purely power. If Goku matched an even stronger Hit without kaioken, he is at least two times as strong as in the tournament. I think everyone can tell Hit wasn't using his full strength in the tournament. That's why Goku asked to revoke the no-killings rule.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Looking at the end scene again it actually looks like...

1. Goku starts to power up.

2. Hit uses his new time storage ability to retreat back into his parallel world.

3. Goku's power behind to crack this parallel world dome thing that Hit is in.

4. Then when Goku uses the Kamehameha it completely shatters.

So basically he destroyed Hit's parallel world which probably at that point meant that Hit would have needed to store up time once again before making the dome.

Looks like Beerus may actually be far more powerful than we'd imagined.

[TheUltimateNinja]

It was established from the beginning that only tokitobashi wouldn't work anyways. So, Hit used the abilities he didn't display at the Martial Arts Tournament. Obviously, if Hit is better and Goku matched him, Goku is better too.

Even if he didn't use it, Goku outright said that not only is the technique better than Tokitobashi but Hit himself has improved a lot since the tournament.

And? Hit getting stronger and having a technique better than Time skip doesn't imply any multifold gains on Goku's part. Nothing implying that Hit made multifold gains either. He was never on par with Super Saiyan Blue in raw power.

Hit's strength is not purely power. If Goku matched an even stronger Hit without kaioken, he is at least two times as strong as in the tournament. I think everyone can tell Hit wasn't using his full strength in the tournament. That's why Goku asked to revoke the no-killings rule.

Not necessarily, the Kaioken isn't exactly stable and Goku didn't have as much practice reading Hit's moves back then, of course this is somewhat negated by Hit being able to use true power along with his assassination techniques.

[perucho1990]

Looking at the end scene again it actually looks like...

1. Goku starts to power up.

2. Hit uses his new time storage ability to retreat back into his parallel world.

3. Goku's power behind to crack this parallel world dome thing that Hit is in.

4. Then when Goku uses the Kamehameha it completely shatters.

So basically he destroyed Hit's parallel world which probably at that point meant that Hit would have needed to store up time once again before making the dome.

Yes, he didnt let Hit store time again, and Goku destorying Hit dimension shouldnt be a surprise to anyone because Vegeta destroyed the ROSAT by powering up which is also a different dimension.

Hit left himself wide open while preventing his dimension in not being destroyed, and it also proves Goku used his brain besides raw power to counterattack.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

It was established from the beginning that only tokitobashi wouldn't work anyways. So, Hit used the abilities he didn't display at the Martial Arts Tournament. Obviously, if Hit is better and Goku matched him, Goku is better too.

Even if he didn't use it, Goku outright said that not only is the technique better than Tokitobashi but Hit himself has improved a lot since the tournament.

And? Hit getting stronger and having a technique better than Time skip doesn't imply any multifold gains on Goku's part. Nothing implying that Hit made multifold gains either. He was never on par with Super Saiyan Blue in raw power.

Consider in the tournament Hit was able to get Tokitobashi to work SSJBKKx10 Goku but now he states it wouldn't even work on current SSJB Goku leans far more towards Goku has gotten stronger. Tournament Hit was restrained but still could've defeated SSJBKKx10 Goku (He said so himself) but this one went all-out (or less restrained) but SSJB Goku could keep up with him.

Also Hit was never on par with SSJB? If he's not then he's very close to it considering he could react to one and take and deliver attacks to and from it.

Never said that Goku didn't get stronger from the tournament.

Hit stated that his Time skip is useless due to Kaioken, which current SSB Goku can obviously use whenever he wants. That's what Goku used to counter it before, so that is what Hit is referring to.

You don't need to be anywhere near Super Saiyan Blue to react to it mentally, which is basically what Hit's Time skip is, a mental action. You don't need to be near it to take hits either. Base and SSJ Black was surviving hits from SSB Vegeta even though he is many times weaker.

Hit went all out with his kill moves, but didn't use the technique that forced Kaioken to come out, so it's moot. There isn't any ground to claim that current SSB Goku is anywhere near SSB Kaioken Goku from the tournament. That's ridiculous.