Toriyama said that he "basically rewrote the script" for BoG.
Only thing he majorly changed was how SSJG worked. And what it looked like. And well, considering SSJG was the centerpiece of it he almost did. But not in a direct way, no.
Again, they said more than once that RF was Toriyama's first real attempt at a script, and he almost drew it more than wrote it. lol
He also changed the villains, completely, didn't he? Beerus was not originally a Cat God of Destruction but some Lizard Alien? I thought he changed quite a few things, actually, and only really kept the concept that there was a SSG transformation.
Resurrection "F" was Toriyama's first real script, handled solo. But he's stated multiple times that he basically wrote battle of Gods himself. He was given the original script, and then changed nearly everything: the antagonist, the theme, the setting, the transformation, the dialogue, etc. He basically wrote the whole story himself, and then Watanabe formatted it into a script and put on the finishing touches.
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
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TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Resurrection "F" was Toriyama's first real script, handled solo. But he's stated multiple times that he basically wrote battle of Gods himself. He was given the original script, and then changed nearly everything: the antagonist, the theme, the setting, the transformation, the dialogue, etc. He basically wrote the whole story himself, and then Watanabe formatted it into a script and put on the finishing touches.
I thought his statements he had only supervisory involvement. I don't think he changed things quite as directly as you want to think... But that's just me.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Resurrection "F" was Toriyama's first real script, handled solo. But he's stated multiple times that he basically wrote battle of Gods himself. He was given the original script, and then changed nearly everything: the antagonist, the theme, the setting, the transformation, the dialogue, etc. He basically wrote the whole story himself, and then Watanabe formatted it into a script and put on the finishing touches.
I thought his statements he had only supervisory involvement. I don't think he changed things quite as directly as you want to think... But that's just me.
it's not what he wants to think, Toriyama himself said he changed almost everything, from the villains to Goku's characterization, who was too heroic and he didn't like it. It's all here on Kanzenshuu, maybe you just didn't read enough about the movie.
Exactly. Just browse the Battle of Gods interviews on the site.Some of them have the more traditional modest, Japanese attitude, but there are more than a few where the man behind the metaphorical curtain shows up.
In the latest movie, Toriyama-san, you participated in the production from the scriptwriting stage for the first time. What is the reason for that? Was there anything you noticed in coming face-to-face with the work after so long?
I was told about a project for Dragon Ball in its first animated film in a long while, and I read the story outline; while the beings “Beerus, God of Destruction” and “Super Saiyan God” (which goes above Super Saiyan) were interesting, the themes were heavy, and I felt that the world was a bit different from Dragon Ball. Rather than telling them about this or that problematic spot, I thought it would be faster if I just wrote it out concretely, and while I had intended just to give them a model―”for example”―my hand wouldn’t stop, and ultimately, I ended up writing almost everything, including the dialogue. I am reflecting on the fact that I did something terribly rude to the scriptwriter.
The serialization (in Weekly Shōnen Jump) was quite a while ago, so there were quite a few parts I’d forgotten, but as I flipped through the pages of my own manga that I hardly ever read, I was immediately able to get back its feeling, as you’d expect of the original creator.
Also, at the time of the Hollywood movie, the live-action Dragon Ball, the script had too little of a grasp on the world and its characteristics, and on top of that, it had a conventional content that I couldn’t find interesting, so I cautioned them, and suggested changes; but in spite of that, they seemed to have a strange confidence, and didn’t really listen to me. What came out in the end was a movie I couldn’t really call a Dragon Ball that lived up to my expectations.1
That being the case, there were parts where I wanted to show some spine, with a world and story only the creator could draw.
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
My personal "canon" and BP list. (Coming Soon)
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
He actually seems seriously injured, though: not sure it is meant to be a joke, like, haha, Krillin is so weak! joke. I guess we'll have to see the episode to see how it turns out, as to whether it will be a joke or a more somber reflection on growing apart.
Here's my theory on the Universe 7 team, I think that puzzle is telling us that the team will be Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo and Gotenks. I'm betting we get a short training period before the tournament starts and in that time Gohan, Goten and Trunks become Bluper Saiyans, with Gohan I think they'll push a story of him wanting to protect Earth for his daughter. Piccolo is the big question mark for me, I think the most likely think is that he finds a way to get a boost through the Namekian Book of Legends, though I guess if Vegeta actually does achieve God without the ritual then I guess Piccolo could just get a boost by training with Whis.
So, I really don't mean to be *that guy* who continues to bring up Future Trunks (I really don't get his fanbase and why people want him back so badly), but I came to a sudden realization:
Universe 6 is a twin universe of Universe 7. It has a planet that has been ravaged by war with seemingly no sign of human life left... Sounds kinda like a possibility it could be Future Trunks' timeline.
FutureGohanSSJ2 wrote:Universe 6 is a twin universe of Universe 7. It has a planet that has been ravaged by war with seemingly no sign of human life left... Sounds kinda like a possibility it could be Future Trunks' timeline.
It doesn't sound like it at all. There is no sign of humanity in U6 Earth. Plus, what about the rest of the timelines Trunks created? The rest of the Universes aren't similar to U6 & U7.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
I'd laugh if Goku accidentally kills Krillin, only to revive him with the Dragon Balls in the next scene.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
FutureGohanSSJ2 wrote:Universe 6 is a twin universe of Universe 7. It has a planet that has been ravaged by war with seemingly no sign of human life left... Sounds kinda like a possibility it could be Future Trunks' timeline.
It doesn't sound like it at all. There is no sign of humanity in U6 Earth. Plus, what about the rest of the timelines Trunks created? The rest of the Universes aren't similar to U6 & U7.
Vados says, "It seems like there is no sign of humanity left on Earth." And there's only 2 people left (Trunks and his mom) on a giant planet. Probably just did a basic overview and didn't see anyone. Could've easily missed those 2.
FutureGohanSSJ2 wrote:
Vados says, "It seems like there is no sign of humanity left on Earth." And there's only 2 people left (Trunks and his mom) on a giant planet. Probably just did a basic overview and didn't see anyone. Could've easily missed those 2.
And it was just a theory.
I'm pretty sure there were still other groups of survivors...
"Actually I didn’t know what Bulma’s real hair color was" --Toriyama
Araki wrote:The anime version of RoF will more than likely include the scenes of Champa and Vados after the Super Dragon Balls and other new content like Kaioshin and Kibito splitting. Now that the manga skipped RoF, it is probably explained why they covered that stuff earlier.
Damn,I never really though of that,My guess would be
-Champa and Vados will first appear when Whis is training Goku and Vegeta.
-Kibitoshin used the Namek Dragon Balls which would explain why the others said that Earth cant be revived anymore when Freeza destroyed the planet.
-The events of Chapter 5 will be right after the when Freeza got defeated which would explain why Goku and Vegeta is still on their 'F' outfits with Whis' signature but the tournament will take place years after,Likely after EOZ which would explain why Goku wants to train Uub.
