"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TheMikado]

I never took that as the meaning though of the time machines link though.

The trunks we see is from timeline "4"
The current track for the rest of Z and Super is timeline 5.

I've always assumed the time travel device actually does take you to the past of your own timeline. I e Trunks from timeline 4 actually went to timeline 4s past. While there he made a change which splits that timeline into timeline 5. Timeline 4 still exists because he's originally part of it.

Now the time travel coordinates are technically trapped or linked to timeline 5 even though he's from timeline 4 because his actions made the timeline split differently when he interfered with Frieza.

The same occurs with timeline 5, his time machine is still linked to it so it goes to the current state of timeline 5. Telling Beerus and killing Zamasu makes timeline 6 which his machine is now calibrated to because the timeline split again. Trunks no longer has the ability to go to timeline 5, the timeline he saved easily because he now split that into a 6th which is what's he's bouncing back and forth between from his 4th timeline to the 6th he created with Zamasus death.

Basically time machines by default go back to whatever timeline there were last in. If you split it while you're there then the time machine will just bounce back and forth between the old original timeline and new timeline you created.

[Doctor.]

It fits what fans believed, which turned out not to be true. Trunks has more experienced, but he's still playing it by ear and he already has a history of getting the rules of time travel wrong.

It contradicts information later in the arc, but fits everything before that point. It seems more likely, to me, that it's the information later that is incorrect, not Trunks.

Trunks knows it's the time machine that creates the split and not his own actions because he has gone back to the past before and intervened with things and that didn't create a new timeline (such as going back 3 years after giving Goku the medicine to help with the androids). Because the time machine and the timeline were connected via the coordinates. If the time travel works like Super tries to portray it as, then Trunks wouldn't arrive in a "different world" if he changed the coordinates, he would arrive in HIS world, in the past. He's saying he's gonna arrive in a different world because the time machine creates a seperate timeline if you start switching around.

[HeroR]

It fits what fans believed, which turned out not to be true. Trunks has more experienced, but he's still playing it by ear and he already has a history of getting the rules of time travel wrong.

It contradicts information later in the arc, but fits everything before that point. It seems more likely, to me, that it's the information later that is incorrect, not Trunks.

Trunks knows it's the time machine that creates the split and not his own actions because he has gone back to the past before and intervened with things and that didn't create a new timeline (such as going back 3 years after giving Goku the medicine to help with the androids). Because the time machine and the timeline were connected via the coordinates. If the time travel works like Super tries to portray it as, then Trunks wouldn't arrive in a "different world" if he changed the coordinates, he would arrive in HIS world, in the past. He's saying he's gonna arrive in a different world because the time machine creates a seperate timeline if you start switching around.

It doesn't contradicts anything since Trunks is running on assumptions based on his limited experience, not facts.

Trunks 'assumes' it's the time machine that makes new timelines. Such a thing hasn't been stated as fact and Trunks, as I said, has been proven wrong before about how time travel works.

[Doctor.]

It doesn't contradicts anything since Trunks is running on assumptions based on his limited experience, not facts.

Trunks 'assumes' it's the time machine that makes new timelines. Such a thing hasn't been stated as fact and Trunks, as I said, has been proven wrong before about how time travel works.

I'm drawing a line here, you can't contest everything a character says just because you think he's not trustworthy. A line like Trunks' is there for exposition, it's there to answer the audience's questions. In this case, the questions would be "Why did Trunks keep coming back to the same past every time he travelled back in time? And why can he go back to the same past now 17 years later?". It does not serve any other purpose otherwise, so the information there must be correct. Otherwise, the line is useless.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Made a separate thread for time travel discussion viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37274

[PegasusXXVI]

Anyone knows where i can get the korean scans for chapter 20? or is there a japanese scan i can get?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Anyone knows where i can get the korean scans for chapter 20? or is there a japanese scan i can get?

We can't link scans here, but they aren't hard to find if you look around. Also, there are already translations out there.

[dbgtFO]

Wasn't it said Trunks was going to be wearing Future Gohan's robes in the manga? That just confirms what I already thought, Trunks won't die in the manga.
Also we still have to see that "Trunks' tutor part"

No, that was some minor comment about how he wore the same clothes as Gohan did on the Kaioshin Planet.
In other words it's completely minor and has already been dealt with.

[Zeru14]

Well I guess Mafuba is coming next chapter and Gowasu and Shin will probably travel to the future and try to reason with Zamasu/Black like in the anime. I noticed just like in the anime Future Zamasu mentioned destroying the dragonballs(super versions) after he made his immortality wish, just like their its unclear if this includes the namekian dragonballs, because its never stated if any Zamasu in any timeline found out about the nameks having their own set.

[The gr]

I'm betting toyble is squealing like a fangirl because he is going to draw broly but I'm curious how frost is going to be handled in this because in the manga he never committed any crimes unlike in the anime where he pretty much the biggest scumbag

[Ki Breaker]

unlike in the anime where he pretty much the biggest scumbag

That award goes to Barry not Frost

[emperior]

Guys I'm starting to believe the new form of Trunks isn't Toei's idea, but Toriyama's.
We will probably get explained next arc that Trunks "sort of" tapped into the Legendary Super Saiyan form.

[The gr]

unlike in the anime where he pretty much the biggest scumbag

That award goes to Barry not Frost

Oh yeah I forgot Barry cunt but still in the anime frost is manipulative cheating bastard meanwhile in the manga he is just impatient or he freaks out when the opponent is stronger than him hence the reason why he use that needle

[MyNiggaGoku]

Guys I'm starting to believe the new form of Trunks isn't Toei's idea, but Toriyama's.
We will probably get explained next arc that Trunks "sort of" tapped into the Legendary Super Saiyan form.

Wow you may be right.That would be hella awesome,not gonna lie.The first canon LSS being Trunks also would be pretty ironic too,since Broly himself was inspired by Trunks in his battle against Cell

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Guys I'm starting to believe the new form of Trunks isn't Toei's idea, but Toriyama's.

A new form was definitely Toriyama's idea, the plot point is in both versions of the story. However, SS Rage itself is likely an extrapolation by Toei.

[LightBing]

Last chapter ended with Trunks facing death with the hand of God on his face. It's a dire situation and I personally don't see any plausible way out, I predict he will die.
Why? Because odds are massively against him.

Black has no more reasons to keep him alive, having brought out the power he needs. The Black-Zamasu combo is too great to defeat, even if Trunks gets the "Rage" transformation, it's extremely unlikely he would be able to hold them off for the minimum of hours it should take before Goku and Vegeta return.

This exact moment in the anime is the worst there, by far in my opinion. There, they didn't even bother to come up with an explanation for Trunks survival and escape. I take that a bit personally, it's doesn't show any respect for the viewers. At least with smoke bombs they bothered coming up with something.
That's why I'm concerned about the resolution of this situation here.

What does everyone think? The only less bad explanation I can imagine is Black and Zamasu going Bond villain and torturing Trunks until Goku and Vegeta conveniently arrive just in time.

[ekrolo2]

Last chapter ended with Trunks facing death with the hand of God on his face. It's a dire situation and I personally don't see any plausible way out, I predict he will die.
Why? Because odds are massively against him.

Black has no more reasons to keep him alive, having brought out the power he needs. The Black-Zamasu combo is too great to defeat, even if Trunks gets the "Rage" transformation, it's extremely unlikely he would be able to hold them off for the minimum of hours it should take before Goku and Vegeta return.

This exact moment in the anime is the worst there, by far in my opinion. There, they didn't even bother to come up with an explanation for Trunks survival and escape. I take that a bit personally, it's doesn't show any respect for the viewers. At least with smoke bombs they bothered coming up with something.
That's why I'm concerned about the resolution of this situation here.

What does everyone think? The only less bad explanation I can imagine is Black and Zamasu going Bond villain and torturing Trunks until Goku and Vegeta conveniently arrive just in time.

Torturing Trunks would be pointless since Goku can read minds so by all acounts Trunks should be a dead man. The only things that can help him are Mai throwing a flashbang or him getting SSAsspull and neither appeal to me.

[Freeza9000]

What does everyone think? The only less bad explanation I can imagine is Black and Zamasu going Bond villain and torturing Trunks until Goku and Vegeta conveniently arrive just in time.

The only thing I can think of helping Trunks is Mai with her flash bang grenade distracting Black and Zamasu.

[MyNiggaGoku]

Last chapter ended with Trunks facing death with the hand of God on his face. It's a dire situation and I personally don't see any plausible way out, I predict he will die.
Why? Because odds are massively against him.

Black has no more reasons to keep him alive, having brought out the power he needs. The Black-Zamasu combo is too great to defeat, even if Trunks gets the "Rage" transformation, it's extremely unlikely he would be able to hold them off for the minimum of hours it should take before Goku and Vegeta return.

This exact moment in the anime is the worst there, by far in my opinion. There, they didn't even bother to come up with an explanation for Trunks survival and escape. I take that a bit personally, it's doesn't show any respect for the viewers. At least with smoke bombs they bothered coming up with something.
That's why I'm concerned about the resolution of this situation here.

What does everyone think? The only less bad explanation I can imagine is Black and Zamasu going Bond villain and torturing Trunks until Goku and Vegeta conveniently arrive just in time.

I can see a situation where Mai opens fire on Black as he is about to finish off Trunks and then Black or Zamas kill or critically injure her which will lead to Trunks' rage power boost or transformation.

[emperior]

What does everyone think? The only less bad explanation I can imagine is Black and Zamasu going Bond villain and torturing Trunks until Goku and Vegeta conveniently arrive just in time.

The only thing I can think of helping Trunks is Mai with her flash bang grenade distracting Black and Zamasu.

It seems like Black can pick up on Mai's ki so I can't see how that could possibly work, unless Mai dies or gets so injured her Ki can't be detected anymore.
(Because if Trunks gets saved by Mai, they will be able to locate them)

I really can't think of a way Toyotaro can save Trunks and Mai at this point (maybe Kaioshin and Gowasu?)