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by Saiga » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:01 am
Nineteen wrote:Let's do some henchmen battles.
1. A Saibaman vs. one of Dr. Wheelo's Biomen (not the three distinct Bio-Warriors, but the Saibamen rip-offs)
2. Medamatcha vs. Raisin and Lakasei
3. Bojack's crew vs. the Cell Jrs.
1. Saibaman, Roshi was able to fight the Biomen.
2. Err.. I'd have to go with Medamatch for the energy sucking.
3. Cell Jrs, due to out numbering them and members like Gokua seems to be weaker than the Cell Jrs.
Another one: Yamcha vs Chiaotzu
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by perucho1990 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:03 pm
SSJ Goten and Trunks(Pre-Rosat) vs Imperfect Cell
Who would win?
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by Michelle91 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:18 pm
who do you think would win out of him and Buuhan? Hildegaan beats Ultimate Gohan easier than Buutenks did, IMO.
I think Super Buu 3 would win since Goku and Vegeta need to fuse into Vegito to beat him. Not to mention Buu has regeneration which it make it hard to for Hildegarn to finish him off. Not to mention Hildegarn was killed by SSj3 Goku and I doubt SSj3 Goku in Movie 13 would be strong enough to fight Super Buu 3 on his own.
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by Kaboom » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:25 pm
perucho1990 wrote:SSJ Goten and Trunks(Pre-Rosat) vs Imperfect Cell. Who would win?
Imperfect Cell at his strongest, right before beating Piccolo and absorbing #17? Either of the kids alone would give Cell a very tough fight, but ultimately lose. Working together, though, they could take the monster out.
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by perucho1990 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:36 pm
Kaboom wrote:perucho1990 wrote:SSJ Goten and Trunks(Pre-Rosat) vs Imperfect Cell. Who would win?
Imperfect Cell at his strongest, right before beating Piccolo and absorbing #17? Either of the kids alone would give Cell a very tough fight, but ultimately lose. Working together, though, they could take the monster out.
Well there are 2 scenarios.
One: They face Cell who first fought Piccolo.
Two: They face Cell who beat Piccolo and 17.
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by Fox666 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:51 pm
Aren't Goten and Trunks transformed in Super Saiyan at a level which they can fight Perfect Cell? They should be able to K.O any other form of Cell with a single attack.
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by perucho1990 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:47 pm
Fox666 wrote:Aren't Goten and Trunks transformed in Super Saiyan at a level which they can fight Perfect Cell? They should be able to K.O any other form of Cell with a single attack.
Hell no, the only way they would beat Perfect Cell is if they do the fusion.
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by Fox666 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:58 pm
Goku could fight fairly well with Cell. And Trunks and Goten can match Vegeta and Gohan who are around the level Goku had at the time.
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by perucho1990 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:17 pm
Fox666 wrote:Goku could fight fairly well with Cell. And Trunks and Goten can match Vegeta and Gohan who are around the level Goku had at the time.
Nah, they are stronger than Pre-Rosat SSJ Vegeta but not as strong as Super Vegeta.
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by FNF » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:55 pm
Lol at anyone who thinks the kids can't beat anyone up to Cell games MSSjin Gohan/Goku.
Also in their fusion as SSjin they are stronger than SSjin3 Goku, not just perfect Cell xD
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by Kaboom » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:28 pm
FNF wrote:Lol at anyone who thinks the kids can't beat anyone up to Cell games MSSjin Gohan/Goku.
Can we not post like this, please?
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by Michsi » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:29 am
I don't think they could beat either version of Imperfect Cell. I don't remember Gohan, Vegeta or anybody else making a significant comment regarding their strength. What impressed was the fact that they could transform, and yeah, that also implies power, but not enough to make me think they could beat even Freeza.
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by Saiga » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:41 am
Separately, the kids at Super Saiyan aren't as strong as any of the older Super Saiyans, but I do believe they are above Freeza's level. Whether the two of them could take down Imperfect Cell, it's hard to say. If it's before he gets to full power, I think they would be able to.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:13 am
In the JSAT, Goku said that Goten and Trunks are around Freeza's level, which was set 2 (or 3?) years after Boo's death.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by perucho1990 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:02 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:In the JSAT, Goku said that Goten and Trunks are around Freeza's level, which was set 2 (or 3?) years after Boo's death.
They got weak after 2 years due to lack of training, (See Vegeta complaining about Trunks not being able to read Ki).
I wonder who would win between Movie 3 Piccolo and Saiyan Saga Vegeta.
In Movie 3, Turles says that Piccolo's power level is 18000.
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by Fox666 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:02 pm
Probably Vegeta, considering how durable he is and how it took to defeat him.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:18 pm
perucho1990 wrote:They got weak after 2 years due to lack of training, (See Vegeta complaining about Trunks not being able to read Ki).
I don't think that they got THAT weak, to fall from Cell level, to Freeza level. If it was like that, Gohan should have lost his SSJ2 in Boo arc.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by perucho1990 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:00 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:perucho1990 wrote:They got weak after 2 years due to lack of training, (See Vegeta complaining about Trunks not being able to read Ki).
I don't think that they got THAT weak, to fall from Cell level, to Freeza level. If it was like that, Gohan should have lost his SSJ2 in Boo arc.
They were in Cell level? Since when?
They couldnt beat #18 at the Tenkachi Budokai...
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:10 pm
Ignore what I said, it was stupid, stupid AND... stupid.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Fox666 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:14 pm
perucho1990 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:perucho1990 wrote:They got weak after 2 years due to lack of training, (See Vegeta complaining about Trunks not being able to read Ki).
I don't think that they got THAT weak, to fall from Cell level, to Freeza level. If it was like that, Gohan should have lost his SSJ2 in Boo arc.
They were in Cell level? Since when?
They couldnt beat #18 at the Tenkachi Budokai...
No.18 was pretty scared by a tiny blast fired by Trunks, they couldn't defeat her after transforming in Super Saiyans because of the suit.
