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by dodge2461 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:52 pm
Metalwario64 wrote:DVD:
Blu-Ray:
The DVD is entirely blurred, whereas the Blu-ray is using lots of filters, resulting in edges being sharper, but backgrounds being smoothed completely flat. I don't know, obviously there are details the Blu-ray has over the DVD, but the clouds and grass are completely screwed in the Blu-ray footage, whereas the DVDs still have some of the original texture at least. I don't think the new footage so far is that much better than the orange bricks.
The DVD shows more of the frame than the Blu-Ray does.
Looks like I'll be continuing my hunt for the Dragon Boxes, a GOOD release from Funi.
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by Ajay » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:55 pm
lol, I uploaded it unlisted and someone has ripped it and reuploaded it for themselves. Nice
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by Metalwario64 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:03 pm
eledoremassis02 wrote:I just figure out what it reminds me of. Ever take an image and run it trough and automatic vector maker.
Are these vector traces? Still have the original screens on you if so?
I've got the DVD season one shots on me:
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by Ajay » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:04 pm
Nah, they're legit shots. Just in high definition with all noise removed so everything looks plastic.
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by superrayman3 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:05 pm
dodge2461 wrote:The DVD shows more of the frame than the Blu-Ray does.
Actually that might be the "re-framing" you're seeing because if you look at the top of the image on the Blu-ray shot there's more of the sky when compared to the DVD version either way like the Orange Bricks the new Blu-ray footage looks like crap and is DNR'd way too much.
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by Super Sayian Prime » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:05 pm
It seems they've actually deleted the trailer off the site, rather than just hiding the page.
Google Cache gives out an error message when trying to watch it.
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by qjz123 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:06 pm
TheAldella wrote:I imagine the audio will end up sounding as bad as the trailer made it. Only 6x worse for the Mono japanese tracks. That's what all the noise removal was actually doing. It just muffled it to all hell. Next they'll increase the Faulconer music by over double volume making it the best release for dub biased Dragonball Z fans yet. FUNimation, you clever devils. These can't be out-sold. It's already factual. Good lord.
The audio in the trailer wasn't muffled that's just how the person who uploaded it to youtube recorded it.
Kendamu wrote:AjayLikesGaming wrote:If you put out untouched footage, someone like me is going to take it and turn it into a perfect release. Someone not like me is going to do the same and share it instead. You give pirates the opportunity to do better than companies and people will jump on that so fast.
This is an 80s/90s animated all-ages show that was popular amongst kids. It's not some potent super weapon that might fall into the wrong hands that we have to protect from evil.
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by Metalwario64 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:06 pm
AjayLikesGaming wrote:Nah, they're legit shots. Just in high definition with all noise removed so everything looks plastic.
Well, he said the footage reminded him of vector traces, so I'm unsure if those images were ran through a vector tracer, or if he's using them as an example.
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by Dalesy » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:12 pm
qjz123 wrote:TheAldella wrote:I imagine the audio will end up sounding as bad as the trailer made it. Only 6x worse for the Mono japanese tracks. That's what all the noise removal was actually doing. It just muffled it to all hell. Next they'll increase the Faulconer music by over double volume making it the best release for dub biased Dragonball Z fans yet. FUNimation, you clever devils. These can't be out-sold. It's already factual. Good lord.
The audio in the trailer wasn't muffled that's just how the person who uploaded it to youtube recorded it.
Doubt it, Ajay's a stickler for audio quality. That being said, I didn't see the trailer on Funi's site. I imagine the muffled quality was a part of the Toonami-esque style they were going for.
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by kidglov3s » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:14 pm
Screenshots from my R1 Dragon Box disc for comparison:
And I saved, re-uploaded and posted the OB shots on the Blu-ray.com with credit, for open disclosure.
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by TheAldella » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:16 pm
qjz123 wrote:TheAldella wrote:I imagine the audio will end up sounding as bad as the trailer made it. Only 6x worse for the Mono japanese tracks. That's what all the noise removal was actually doing. It just muffled it to all hell. Next they'll increase the Faulconer music by over double volume making it the best release for dub biased Dragonball Z fans yet. FUNimation, you clever devils. These can't be out-sold. It's already factual. Good lord.
The audio in the trailer wasn't muffled that's just how the person who uploaded it to youtube recorded it.
Sorry, I was just joking about the mixing decisions they made to make it sound "cool". The dialogue sounds like I'm listening to it through a tube from 4 miles away in a busy gas station.
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by Ajay » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:22 pm
Dalesy wrote:qjz123 wrote:TheAldella wrote:I imagine the audio will end up sounding as bad as the trailer made it. Only 6x worse for the Mono japanese tracks. That's what all the noise removal was actually doing. It just muffled it to all hell. Next they'll increase the Faulconer music by over double volume making it the best release for dub biased Dragonball Z fans yet. FUNimation, you clever devils. These can't be out-sold. It's already factual. Good lord.
The audio in the trailer wasn't muffled that's just how the person who uploaded it to youtube recorded it.
Doubt it, Ajay's a stickler for audio quality. That being said, I didn't see the trailer on Funi's site. I imagine the muffled quality was a part of the Toonami-esque style they were going for.
Yeah, no, it sounded that shit on the site. It's their cool 'effects'.
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by kidglov3s » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:32 pm
This kind of reminds me of the Alice in Wonderland Blu-ray. All subtleties of shading are gone, and all colors are loud & neon.
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by Ajay » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:36 pm
kidglov3s wrote:This kind of reminds me of the Alice in Wonderland Blu-ray. All subtleties of shading are gone, and all colors are loud & neon.
Whoah, what?! Alice in Wonderland looks fantastic on Blu-Ray.
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by samuraix123 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:38 pm
I'm afraid if I buy this they'll cancel it!
I hate to say this BUT!
If they look better than the orange bricks and they don't have that problem of things getting deleted off the freaking image! Then I may buy them and give the orange bricks to my brother
I dunno we'll see.
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by kidglov3s » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:42 pm
AjayLikesGaming wrote:kidglov3s wrote:This kind of reminds me of the Alice in Wonderland Blu-ray. All subtleties of shading are gone, and all colors are loud & neon.
Whoah, what?! Alice in Wonderland looks fantastic on Blu-Ray.
I suppose one is free to make their own appraisal of it, but it's no less revisionist than these DBZ screenshots.
2004 DVD:
2011 Blu-ray:
Look at her hair, the subtle golden shades are replaced with this blanket electric yellow.
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by Ajay » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:51 pm
The hair is certainly more yellow but I don't see how it's losing any 'shades' or anything.
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by kidglov3s » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:52 pm
I dunno I just found it far too loud, I can't watch it. At the time of its release there was a lot of back/forth on it at HTF, with Stephen Worth, an animation restorationist who has done work with Disney and other companies in the past, writing at length about the various revisionisms with it.
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by dodge2461 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:53 pm
AjayLikesGaming wrote:The hair is certainly more yellow but I don't see how it's losing any 'shades' or anything.
... You have a lot of cells, don't you?
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by Ajay » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:53 pm
kidglov3s wrote:I dunno I just found it far too loud, I can't watch it.
Fair enough, man. It does seem to vary from monitor to monitor. On my calibrated monitor it doesn't look too garish but on my TV, it is pretty vibrant. Can't say it's all that distracting. But yes, each to their own
