Things that grind your gears

[ekrolo2]

Goku at age 18/19 being called "Teen Goku" while 16/17-year-old Gohan gets called an adult. Also, you're not a teen at 10, stop calling Cell Games Gohan a teen when he's not.

[MyNiggaGoku]

People constantly calling "Farmer with a shotgun", well, "Farmer with a shotgun".
What he used against Raditz clearly isn't a damn shotgun. I thought Raditz flicking a singular cyllindrical-cone shaped bullet back at him would be enough of a clue.

But do you know why they keep calling him that?

[rereboy]

People constantly calling "Farmer with a shotgun", well, "Farmer with a shotgun".
What he used against Raditz clearly isn't a damn shotgun. I thought Raditz flicking a singular cyllindrical-cone shaped bullet back at him would be enough of a clue.

Well, I don't know much about guns, but shotguns can fire "slugs" (1 bullet).

[Lunaar]

Goku at age 18/19 being called "Teen Goku" while 16/17-year-old Gohan gets called an adult. Also, you're not a teen at 10, stop calling Cell Games Gohan a teen when he's not.

The age depictions have never really been consistent to begin with, on multiple levels... so the naming issues never stuck out to me as much these:

[ekrolo2]

Goku at age 18/19 being called "Teen Goku" while 16/17-year-old Gohan gets called an adult. Also, you're not a teen at 10, stop calling Cell Games Gohan a teen when he's not.

The age depictions have never really been consistent to begin with, on multiple levels... so the naming issues never stuck out to me as much these:

It's not an appearance thing, its just a consistency thing that annoys me. Why's Goku at one to two years older than Gohan called a teen when the actual teenager Gohan is called an adult? Why's the 10 year old Gohan called a teen?

[Lunaar]

It's not an appearance thing, its just a consistency thing that annoys me. Why's Goku at one to two years older than Gohan called a teen when the actual teenager Gohan is called an adult? Why's the 10 year old Gohan called a teen?

That's the point I'm trying to make, there's already no consistency in how the characters are drawn - so properly naming them for promotional material is always going to be whack. I'm assuming that whomever designated the names (or even trademarks) were not familiar with their ages and just straight up called 'em based on their appearance. For example; I would assume the term "Adult Gohan" comes from his much more matured "Goku Gi" look, during his fight with Super Boo. As there's really only a day (or two? three? I can't recall) between the 25th Tenka'ichi Budokai and Super Boo's rampage, they most likely just blanket term'd him as "Adult" during that period. ...and if they already had decided on "Teen" Gohan during the last arc, well they've already backed themselves into a corner. This is all just assumption on my part, no factual evidence here.

This makes me want to try a social experiment, actually. I'd ask 100 nonfans and 100 fans how old Goku is after showing them a snapshot of him during the Boyhood period. How many of them would know he was roughly 12 for the first ten volumes? How many fans would incorrectly answer 14, only having read the first volume/couple of episodes? How many would say 4 or 5, having watched only the first episode of Z and falsely remembering Gohan's age? Very boring interesting stuff.

[ekrolo2]

It's not an appearance thing, its just a consistency thing that annoys me. Why's Goku at one to two years older than Gohan called a teen when the actual teenager Gohan is called an adult? Why's the 10 year old Gohan called a teen?

That's the point I'm trying to make, there's already no consistency in how the characters are drawn - so properly naming them for promotional material is always going to be whack. I'm assuming that whomever designated the names (or even trademarks) were not familiar with their ages and just straight up called 'em based on their appearance. For example; I would assume the term "Adult Gohan" comes from his much more matured "Goku Gi" look, during his fight with Super Boo. As there's really only a day (or two? three? I can't recall) between the 25th Tenka'ichi Budokai and Super Boo's rampage, they most likely just blanket term'd him as "Adult" during that period. ...and if they already had decided on "Teen" Gohan during the last arc, well they've already backed themselves into a corner. This is all just assumption on my part, no factual evidence here.

This makes me want to try a social experiment, actually. I'd ask 100 nonfans and 100 fans how old Goku is after showing them a snapshot of him during the Boyhood period. How many of them would know he was roughly 12 for the first ten volumes? How many fans would incorrectly answer 14, only having read the first volume/couple of episodes? How many would say 4 or 5, having watched only the first episode of Z and falsely remembering Gohan's age? Very boring interesting stuff.

Except I see people keeping to these terms when they know the actual ages of the characters, is it just a convenience thing like calling Grade 2 "Ascended Super Saiyan"?

[Kamiccolo9]

Goku at age 18/19 being called "Teen Goku" while 16/17-year-old Gohan gets called an adult. Also, you're not a teen at 10, stop calling Cell Games Gohan a teen when he's not.

The age depictions have never really been consistent to begin with, on multiple levels... so the naming issues never stuck out to me as much these:

It's not an appearance thing, its just a consistency thing that annoys me. Why's Goku at one to two years older than Gohan called a teen when the actual teenager Gohan is called an adult? Why's the 10 year old Gohan called a teen?

Well, the age of majority in Japan was 20 back when DB was written, so Goku technically wasn't an adult.
Even now, with it being 18, he'd be a legal adult and a chronological teenager. There's not really a problem with how they label Goku.

How they've been labeling Gohan, though, is just dumb.

[Beek King]

People constantly calling "Farmer with a shotgun", well, "Farmer with a shotgun".
What he used against Raditz clearly isn't a damn shotgun. I thought Raditz flicking a singular cyllindrical-cone shaped bullet back at him would be enough of a clue.

Well, I don't know much about guns, but shotguns can fire "slugs" (1 bullet).

Well you already know about guns more than most people who call that gun a shotgun if you know that slugs exist. It's much easier to assume it's an Old West Winchester type carbine.

[Gog]

...well, there's certainly not any evidence pointing to them needing a mate(s? oh god) to reproduce, but there's nothing specifically stating they're akin to the Namekians in their methods, either.

Except there is a lot of evidence that we can discern from the series. In fact the popular idea that Freeza's forms suppresses his power absolutely hinge's on the concept of them not being asexual.

What we do know is that every Frost Demon/Freeza Race/Acrosian we've met thus far has been referred to with a "he" pronoun, just like Namekians... and in every game you're able to select their race as a custom character build, there are no gender options to select. Just like Namekians. Dragon Ball Online, from my understanding, was pretty close to Toriyama's cuff, so I doubt there's error in that call - but who knows. New material could upend everything for all we know.

And they arent going to do something that Akira Toriyama confirmed, heck saiyans could go god form, yet I can't actually see them. In fact, using from what we've seen of Toriyama's designs, I'm baffled the whole entire conception of them being asexual could actually exist in the first place. As in all of his designs for the species are so radically different from each other, that there is absolutley no chance that they can ever be asexual. Also they never actually showed up in Dragon ball online, don't know where you got that one from

But it is 120 million

120 million is literally too low of a number for his power to be.

When people state that Freeza's powerlevel is 120 million

Why?

Because from what Goku stated on namek, completely clashes with the idea that his power is that low.

When people state that Freeza's powerlevel is 120 million

Freeza's power level on Namek(Full power) is confirmed to be 120 million,After Namek,we don't know any specific number.

You mean confirmed from a guide book? And besides that is actually too low of a number for his powerlevel to be, especially with what Goku told him

[dbgtFO]

Because from what Goku stated on namek, completely clashes with the idea that his power is that low.

You mean confirmed from a guide book? And besides that is actually too low of a number for his powerlevel to be, especially with what Goku told him

Can you elaborate? I wonder, if you're using the same reasoning I am, when I want to bloat the power levels.

[Gog]

Because from what Goku stated on namek, completely clashes with the idea that his power is that low.

You mean confirmed from a guide book? And besides that is actually too low of a number for his powerlevel to be, especially with what Goku told him

Can you elaborate? I wonder, if you're using the same reasoning I am, when I want to bloat the power levels.

After their battle had concluded, and Goku had turned down from super saiyan, he told Freeza to polish his moves, and fix his stamina drain. He made no mention about strength or power

[Bansho64]

After their battle had concluded, and Goku had turned down from super saiyan, he told Freeza to polish his moves, and fix his stamina drain. He made no mention about strength or power

That doesn't at all contradict the 120 million battle power listing for Freeza.

[dbgtFO]

After their battle had concluded, and Goku had turned down from super saiyan, he told Freeza to polish his moves, and fix his stamina drain. He made no mention about strength or power

So you think Freeza is slightly less than Goku's 150 million then?

[Gog]

After their battle had concluded, and Goku had turned down from super saiyan, he told Freeza to polish his moves, and fix his stamina drain. He made no mention about strength or power

That doesn't at all contradict the 120 million battle power listing for Freeza.

It does, as in dragon ball terms a ten percent increase in strength enables you to stomp your opponent. Freeza's power difference compared to Goku's is a 25% difference Goku would have told Freeza to go get stronger. But he didn't, and he never once uttered a word about strength, as Freeza is strong enough, it's just that he's lacking in all other areas

[Bansho64]

It does, as in dragon ball terms a ten percent increase in strength enables you to stomp your opponent. That's a 25% difference Goku would have told Freeza to go get stronger. But he didn't, and he never once uttered a word about strength, as Freeza is strong enough, it's just that he's lacking in all other areas

This might barely make sense if Freeza was a match. But he wasn't. Goku completely stomped him after transforming. The anime dragged it out and made it seem like they were more on equal terms but that's not how it was in the manga. Freeza was barely a match.

[Gog]

It does, as in dragon ball terms a ten percent increase in strength enables you to stomp your opponent. That's a 25% difference Goku would have told Freeza to go get stronger. But he didn't, and he never once uttered a word about strength, as Freeza is strong enough, it's just that he's lacking in all other areas

This might barely make sense if Freeza was a match. But he wasn't. Goku completely stomped him after transforming. The anime dragged it out and made it seem like they were more on equal terms but that's not how it was in the manga.

Except for the fact that the battle lasted for exactly three minutes, and Freeza's stamina was draining, and he was severely hurt from the Genkai Gift that Goku gifted to him, and he just got the shit kicked out of him by Super Saiyan Goku at half power. Heck even Goku was tired from the kaio ken. You have to look at the events leading up to the battle, to understand the full context of the battle.

[Bansho64]

Ecep for the fact that the battle lasted for exactly three minutes, and Freeza's stamina was draining, and he was severly hurt from the Genkai Gift that Goku gifted to him, and he just got the shit kicked out of him by Super Saiyan Goku at half power. Heck even Goku was tired from the kaio ken. You have to look at the events leading up to the battle.

But it goes both ways. Goku was extremely damaged as well. And, unlike Freeza, he was at his max and he was using the Kaioken. Freeza at least had the advantage of just getting started and was mainly messing around for a lot of the fighting before the SSJ transformation. Goku was already going beyond his limits. There's nothing contradicting Freeza's battle power listing.

[MyNiggaGoku]

When people state that Freeza's powerlevel is 120 million

Freeza's power level on Namek(Full power) is confirmed to be 120 million,After Namek,we don't know any specific number.

You mean confirmed from a guide book? And besides that is actually too low of a number for his powerlevel to be, especially with what Goku told him

Yup.It was from the same guide book that confirmed that SS Goku's power level was 150million on Namek.Also,I don't think it's actually that low.In that point of the series,120/150million power levels meant something.

[Gog]

Ecep for the fact that the battle lasted for exactly three minutes, and Freeza's stamina was draining, and he was severly hurt from the Genkai Gift that Goku gifted to him, and he just got the shit kicked out of him by Super Saiyan Goku at half power. Heck even Goku was tired from the kaio ken. You have to look at the events leading up to the battle.

But it goes both ways. Goku was extremely damaged as well. And, unlike like Freeza, he was at his max and he was using the Kaioken. Freeza at least had the advantage of just getting started. Goku was already going beyond his limits. There's nothing contradicting Freeza's battle power listing.

Your right except for the fact that Freeza outright confirmed that he nearly died from the genkai dama. You can't wiggle around that statement, he also then got the absolute shit beaten out of him by Super Saiyan Goku before the battle even began, and Freeza's stamina was disappearing by the minute as well. And what Goku outright stated to Freeza absolutely contradicts the 120 million line a thousand fold