The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

What's the strongest villain Goten and Truns can beat, assuming they don't do something stupid and mess it up for themselves?

A Cell Junior. I think they're as strong as CG Goku.

Together, they can easily defeat base Bojack (who I see as equal to them) and probably beat the suppressed version of Cell that Goku was fighting.

[Kakashi]

What's the strongest villain Goten and Truns can beat, assuming they don't do something stupid and mess it up for themselves?

A Cell Junior. I think they're as strong as CG Goku.

Together, they can easily defeat base Bojack (who I see as equal to them) and probably beat the suppressed version of Cell that Goku was fighting.

They are nowhere close.

[Kaboom]

They are nowhere close.

Says what? Says who? Please, PLEASE start putting a little more thought into your posts beyond just asking someone they're opinion and then parroting your own back at them without any context or explanation.

[TheGmGoken]

From what I can understand of FriezaCooler's post(Which isn't much)

GT > Whis > Bills = Vegito > DBZ

Birsu(Not Bills.) is not equal to Vegetto. Birsu is stated to be the strongest in the history of Z. Until Whis is confirmed to be stronger. You can't say Birsu and Vegetto > DBZ because they ARE Dbz characters.

. Battle of gods was a ripp off from Cell saga, Baby vegeta saga, and The God of destruction line comes from Syn Shenron.

BoG is NOT a rip off of ANY of those arcs. All arc(s) are very similar to each other. DBZ arcs aren't that complex. Repetitive plot is quite common.

Bills feat was lower than Hildegarn, Bills ko'ed ssj1 gotenks while Hildegarn ko'ed SSj3 gotenks with one punch. Bills struggled with a ssj2 Vegeta.

Birsu feats are HIGHER than Hirdugarn. Birsu fought SSJ Gotenks because Gotenks didn't use SSj3. That's not Birsu's fault. Birsu didn't struggle with SSj2 Vegeta who may I remind you was powered up from a RAGE Boost.

The rest of the post:

the 1 million years power up doesn't mean anything when GT characters have gained over the top Power ups that are similar or higher throughout the show. Unless another officail movie or show upgrades Bills the fact GT > BOG remains.

I can't understand. Perhaps English isn't your first language

[Pantalones]

Mr. Satan Vs. Macauly Culkin.

Can Mr. Satan overcome the Home Alone booby traps?

He would probably manage to dodge/block/etc. the first booby-trap with his awesome (...compared to an average human) martial arts skills, then get a bit overconfident and end up embarrassingly caught in the next series of traps. Next thing you know, he's lying on his back at the bottom of some basement stairs with something gross all over him... probably even stuck in his mustache. He wouldn't really be hurt at all though, aside from a goofy exaggerated bump on his head that disappears a second or two later. (He'd definitely beat that kid up... if he ever managed to catch him, anyway. XD)

[Kid Buu]

Would Mr. Satan hit Macaualy Culkin? It'd be bad for his public image!

[RandomGuy96]

Obviously Culkin was a threat to the world, and Mr. Satan was just saving us again.

Vegeta in the Trunks Saga (with kaio-ken, mastered to a similar level Goku had mastered it on Namek) vs King Cold

[Kid Buu]

Obviously Culkin was a threat to the world, and Mr. Satan was just saving us again.

Vegeta in the Trunks Saga (with kaio-ken, mastered to a similar level Goku had mastered it on Namek) vs King Cold

Like father, like son when giving a beatdown:

[Saiga]

Unless what he's in is actually his second form, I don't think he's that much weaker than Freeza that Vegeta would win with just the Kaio-ken.

[Kakashi]

They are nowhere close.

Says what? Says who? Please, PLEASE start putting a little more thought into your posts beyond just asking someone they're opinion and then parroting your own back at them without any context or explanation.

I never asked it

The kids are way weaker than Gohan

[Hugo Boss]

^ It says that he is "perhaps stronger than a Super Saiyan 4". It is presumably talking about Super Vegetto, since I recall saying something about his Super Saiyan form before that, and the only Super Saiyan 4 at that point was Goku (it was stated when GT was at the beginning of the Evil Dragons arc).

BTW, the statement didn't come from Daizenshuu 7, Super Saiyan 4, no, GT didn't even exist at that point. The statement was made in a special section of the GT TV Special Animation Comic.

So this statement doesn't include the power-up that Goku received when he was fighting 1-Star Dragon. Well, I felt weird about that existing in Daizenshuu 7 lol. Btw

[Kid Buu]

Vegeta Vs. Cell Jr if the fight had continued.

[RandomGuy96]

Vegeta Vs. Cell Jr if the fight had continued.

Cell stated that Vegeta was "barely fighting evenly" with the Junior, implying a small advantage in the Junior's favor. Pair that with the Junior's superior abilities and physical attributes, and...

Unless what he's in is actually his second form, I don't think he's that much weaker than Freeza that Vegeta would win with just the Kaio-ken.

How strong do you think Cold is, and how strong do you think Vegeta was in the Trunks arc?

[Saiga]

What superior abilities and physical attributes?

And I never really thought about Vegeta's strength at that point. But he hasn't even started his gravity training, so I'd say he's still below base Namek Goku. Cold I think, at his full power, would be something like 90-100 million. But then, this was before you pointed out that Cold might be comparable to Freeza's suppressed form, which was nowhere near his full power.

[RandomGuy96]

What superior abilities and physical attributes?

And I never really thought about Vegeta's strength at that point. But he hasn't even started his gravity training, so I'd say he's still below base Namek Goku. Cold I think, at his full power, would be something like 90-100 million.

The Juniors are supposed to have the same abilities as Cell. So that'd give them regeneration, everybody's techniques, Piccolo-like stretchy arms, Freeza-like durability, etc. Plus, they're quite small, maybe a third of Veggie's size, and the series has shown us a few times that there are advantages to putting a bunch of power into a small package, compared to spreading it out over a big one.

[Saiga]

Well, I'm not really sure if that's true, looking at how none of them regenerated, or survived, Gohan's hits. One of them looked to lose as much of its body as Freeza did, and it just died. At the very least, they cannot survive their head being destroyed, unlike Cell. So they can't have all his abilities. I'd also think that being small would be a disadvantage due to smaller limbs and shorter reach.

Depending on how much the mastered Super Saiyan form drains stamina, I could see the Cell Jnr outlasting Vegeta and winning. Otherwise, I think Vegeta would just eventually finish it with a ki attack or something.

[TheGmGoken]

Anime Freeza vs Manga Ssj namek Goku

[Saiga]

I don't remember Goku being significantly different in the manga compared to anime, so I guess it goes the same as the anime.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't remember Goku being significantly different in the manga compared to anime, so I guess it goes the same as the anime.

Considering what Piccolo said about 18 vs Vegeta, manga Goku probably can't last nearly as long as he needs to against anime Freeza.

[Saiga]

I don't remember Goku being significantly different in the manga compared to anime, so I guess it goes the same as the anime.

Considering what Piccolo said about 18 vs Vegeta, manga Goku probably can't last nearly as long as he needs to against anime Freeza.

Ohh yeah. Despite the anime saying Freeza had stamina issues, 9-10 episodes is way more than most manga characters could last.