Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Neon Z]

Child Goku in GT had to use SSJ3 to fight against someone who was described as a Majin Buu level threat (Rildo), but he easily defeated Freeza and Cell in the Super 17 Saga while in base form. Now we're getting a Freeza who'll be much stronger than a Buu Saga level enemy. There's no way these movies work alongside GT.

There's also Freeza's supposed new form that obviously didn't exist in GT for obvious reasons.

No. Goku used SSJ3 only once in GT and was agains Baby who might have great powers since he made a similiar God ritual with he being Vegeta with Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Bra.
Against General Rildo he only transformed in SSJ in the battle.

Huh, you're right. I mixed up SSJ3 with that pseudo-SSJ2 moment during the battle against Metal Rildo, when he shines and his hairstyle changes. It still places GT kid Goku and GT Freeza in a much lower level than Goku and Freeza in the new movie.

[Sinestro]

I apologize if this has been covered earlier on... but has there been conjecture as to how Shenron can grant the resurrection wish? I thought that after a year goes by, the chance for resurrection becomes lost.

But that could be just an English translation thing.

(Thanks in advance!)

[Abel Taylor]

No. I am saying that they are ignoring the 20 year old minutia to make it entertaining for people who don't scrutinize Dragon Ball, a group who comprises a large part of the fanbase; and that the Super Saiyan vs Ultimate debate is pointless as it is a slight difference and that nothing ever said he couldn't. Which is a better idea: use the infinitely more popular form for our general audience or use the form that is virtually identical to his untransformed state as to not offend a part of our fanbase that can't move on from old news?

I can't even describe how ridiculous this is. That would be as if in the new Star Wars movie everybody had red sabers, because you know, people think they look cool. And fuck consistency and longterm fans, who cares about them anyways?

If they did, then so what? Is the color of the saber so crucial? Is the color of Gohan's hair so crucial? No! They are making it for general audiences.

[sintzu]

"Mystic" is not a transformation it is his base state, dude

If that was the case then Old Kai wouldn't have told him to transform into it as he would his Ssj forms plus in BOG we see him power up to it then later to Ssj so he can obviously pick which form he wants.

[Abel Taylor]

I apologize if this has been covered earlier on... but has there been conjecture as to how Shenron can grant the resurrection wish? I thought that after a year goes by, the chance for resurrection becomes lost.

But that could be just an English translation thing.

(Thanks in advance!)

It was never said that Shenron could not revive a person after a year; rather, Kami's shenron was unable to revive groups of people after one year. In fact, Toriyama even said they could revive Bardock in an interview about Naho Ooishi's Episode of Bardock, which can be found in the translations section of Kanzenshuu, tagged under Akira Toriyama.

[Dyno]

I apologize if this has been covered earlier on... but has there been conjecture as to how Shenron can grant the resurrection wish? I thought that after a year goes by, the chance for resurrection becomes lost.

But that could be just an English translation thing.

(Thanks in advance!)

I remember Kanzenshuu covered on that a few months ago. It looks like the rule about reviving someone dead within one year is just for a large group, if it is only one person, then it is possible to revive no matter how long one has been dead.

[fadeddreams5]

So many of these new concepts are screwing over what made Gohan unique. Now rage boost is a thing and Goku might not go SSJ.

The biggest mistake was making Gohan's ultimate form so similar to his base form. The lines in his eyes are barely noticeable; he just looks mad.

I wish he would have kept his green SSJ eyes when he went ultimate. Or maybe his eye color could become light brown. Anything to differentiate better. His hidden powers should still be a thing...-.-

[Tunjevina]

So what if Gohan fights as a Super Saiyan in this movie?Why is there so much disappointment?
With a baby on a way, maybe whatever free time he had, he used it for studying, so he didn't train at all and lost the power old Kaioshin gave him.It's never been said that he can't lose that power if he doesn't train.And it's pure logic that he will became weaker without training.It took 1 day for old Kaioshin to make him that strong, several years without training and maybe his mystic power would be so weak that a Super Saiyan power is again the best way for him to fight.
I don't have a problem with that, on the other hand, if he managed to keep his mystic power and fights as a mystic I wouldn't have a problem with that either.

[Sinestro]

It was never said that Shenron could not revive a person after a year; rather, Kami's shenron was unable to revive groups of people after one year. In fact, Toriyama even said they could revive Bardock in an interview about Naho Ooishi's Episode of Bardock, which can be found in the translations section of Kanzenshuu, tagged under Akira Toriyama.

I remember Kanzenshuu covered on that a few months ago. It looks like the rule about reviving someone dead within one year is just for a large group, if it is only one person, then it is possible to revive no matter how long one has been dead.

Thanks to both of you!

That's extremely interesting to me.

[Abel Taylor]

It was never said that Shenron could not revive a person after a year; rather, Kami's shenron was unable to revive groups of people after one year. In fact, Toriyama even said they could revive Bardock in an interview about Naho Ooishi's Episode of Bardock, which can be found in the translations section of Kanzenshuu, tagged under Akira Toriyama.

I remember Kanzenshuu covered on that a few months ago. It looks like the rule about reviving someone dead within one year is just for a large group, if it is only one person, then it is possible to revive no matter how long one has been dead.

Thanks to both of you!

That's extremely interesting to me.

Me too! I think it's awesome that Toriyama says that they shouldn't revive Bardock, not because they can't, but because he would be too weak to be useful.

[sintzu]

*Clearly misses the point of the whole post.*

I know what you mean I'm just saying that him not using his Mystic form against some henchmen isn't a big deal,it's like getting mad over Vegeta not using Ssj2 against Puipui.

If however he uses it against Freeza then I'll have to agree that it won't make sense but hopefully that won't happen cause in his promotional poster they have him in Mystic from BOG so they can't have forgotten about it.

[Sinestro]

I remember Kanzenshuu covered on that a few months ago. It looks like the rule about reviving someone dead within one year is just for a large group, if it is only one person, then it is possible to revive no matter how long one has been dead.

Also, I;m waaaay behind on the podcast. I'm still listening to their stuff that's in anticipation of BOG!

I'm looking forward to catching up to this specific episode.

[TheGmGoken]

No. I am saying that they are ignoring the 20 year old minutia to make it entertaining for people who don't scrutinize Dragon Ball, a group who comprises a large part of the fanbase; and that the Super Saiyan vs Ultimate debate is pointless as it is a slight difference and that nothing ever said he couldn't. Which is a better idea: use the infinitely more popular form for our general audience or use the form that is virtually identical to his untransformed state as to not offend a part of our fanbase that can't move on from old news?

I can't even describe how ridiculous this is. That would be as if in the new Star Wars movie everybody had red sabers, because you know, people think they look cool. And fuck consistency and longterm fans, who cares about them anyways?

If they did, then so what? Is the color of the saber so crucial? Is the color of Gohan's hair so crucial? No! They are making it for general audiences.

Um..the general audience in Japan told Toei that Gohan shouldn't be SSJ in BoG. Kinda goes against your argument. It's a reason why Korea made Gohan's hair black in the BOG poster (because Korea is awesome). It's an official well known DB fact. You don't insult your audience intelligence.

[Dyno]

Me too! I think it's awesome that Toriyama says that they shouldn't revive Bardock, not because they can't, but because he would be too weak to be useful.

"I can't revive Bardock because he is weak, but I can revive Freeza, even though his powers are below than Cell's". - Akira Toriyama.

Yep... Such a NICE reason.

[VegettoEX]

I think you misunderstand. While we may have done a podcast episode about Dragon Ball wish rules, it's simply that we've covered this information via the podcast, text, etc. several times over. This post from last July is a good example of that.

[FortuneSSJ]

The biggest mistake was making Gohan's ultimate form so similar to his base form. The lines in his eyes are barely noticeable; he just looks mad.
I wish he would have kept his green SSJ eyes when he went ultimate. Or maybe his eye color could become light brown. Anything to differentiate better.

I can agree to this. When I was a kid, I didn't understand the Mystic concept. So when he was fighting Buu I was like "Why doesn't he tranform?!"
Some people say ssjg goku design is lazy but love Mystic Gohan anyway...Even though both are different things.

[Sinestro]

I think you misunderstand. While we may have done a podcast episode about Dragon Ball wish rules, it's simply that we've covered this information via the podcast, text, etc. several times over. This post from last July is a good example of that.

Excellent. I appreciate the link, sir.

[Abel Taylor]

Um..the general audience in Japan told Toei that Gohan shouldn't be SSJ in BoG. Kinda goes against your argument. It's a reason why Korea made Gohan's hair black in the BOG poster (because Korea is awesome). It's an official well known DB fact. You don't insult your audience intelligence.

Not just Japan, but everywhere. When at the theater or in public, most people remember these things first when I say Dragon Ball (all my experiences):
Goku
Vegeta
Piccolo
Gohan
Super Saiyan
Frieza
Majin Buu
Never do they recall Ultimate Gohan until I ask them about it, and even then there is a pause. It isn't insulting your fanbase's intelligence, it is making an enjoyable story for both old, casual fans and new fans.

[Abel Taylor]

Me too! I think it's awesome that Toriyama says that they shouldn't revive Bardock, not because they can't, but because he would be too weak to be useful.

"I can't revive Bardock because he is weak, but I can revive Freeza, even though his powers are below than Cell's". - Akira Toriyama.

Yep... Such a NICE reason.

I meant that the Z fighters don't revive him. I suppose I should have clarified that.

[fadeddreams5]

So what if Gohan fights as a Super Saiyan in this movie?Why is there so much disappointment?
With a baby on a way, maybe whatever free time he had, he used it for studying, so he didn't train at all and lost the power old Kaioshin gave him.It's never been said that he can't lose that power if he doesn't train.And it's pure logic that he will became weaker without training.It took 1 day for old Kaioshin to make him that strong, several years without training and maybe his mystic power would be so weak that a Super Saiyan power is again the best way for him to fight.
I don't have a problem with that, on the other hand, if he managed to keep his mystic power and fights as a mystic I wouldn't have a problem with that either.

You're justifying the in-story reason. But the question is, "why should that be the case?" Fans want Gohan to be back to his prime. We want Ultimate Gohan to kick ass and have some relevancy. So writers should....MAKE THAT HAPPEN! It's possible to do this without stealing Goku's glory away if that's what they fear.

At the very least, give us, through dialogue, an explanation as to why he's not tapping into that power. We have waited over a decade for that...