"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[MaGyunia]

How is one stronger because they're fat? Naturally, the one with the better build, the more athletic of the two, should be the stronger one. Beerus even laughs at the idea of him and Champa engaging in battle.

What? How is being skin and bones having a "better build"? You'd have /no/ build at that point, because you're skin at bones. Think of it this way: Who could lift more? A fat guy or a skin-and-bones guy? Being fat, in and of itself, implies that you naturally have more muscle than someone skinny.

Also, Beerus laughing at the idea of the two of them fighting could be him being prideful and thinking they're stronger. Or something else. A multitude of reasons. I think that we're jumping to conclusions way too fast and not thinking about it enough. It's the reason why we were wrong about almost every assumption we've made so far about both Battle Of Gods and Resurrection F. I think Toriyama has proved time and time again that he can be very unpredictable.

Again, what does the build, physique or appearance of a warrior have ANYTHING to do with how powerful they might be in the Dragonball universe? Obviously that comment on Champa's build was a harmless joke, nothing more.

Sometimes it's better to postulate no scenarios at all than to hastily estimate that one warrior has a strong probability of being above another based on virtually nothing at all. "Heavily implied" is just going to far, and sorry about that, Doctor.

We really have no strong, solid basis to estimate how Vados compares to Whis, either they fight each other (far-fetched scenario) or official info on the subject either by a character or by an official source is released, otherwise saying she must be, or has a strong probability or being above Whis just because she trained him in the past and said she was is no good reason to substantiate the claim that she probably is above Whis, for the reasons specified before in this particular discussion.

Please move on, guys, no definitive conclusion will be reached on this subject in these circumstances.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

How is one stronger because they're fat? Naturally, the one with the better build, the more athletic of the two, should be the stronger one. Beerus even laughs at the idea of him and Champa engaging in battle.

What? How is being skin and bones having a "better build"? You'd have /no/ build at that point, because you're skin at bones. Think of it this way: Who could lift more? A fat guy or a skin-and-bones guy? Being fat, in and of itself, implies that you naturally have more muscle than someone skinny.

Also, Beerus laughing at the idea of the two of them fighting could be him being prideful and thinking they're stronger. Or something else. A multitude of reasons. I think that we're jumping to conclusions way too fast and not thinking about it enough. It's the reason why we were wrong about almost every assumption we've made so far about both Battle Of Gods and Resurrection F. I think Toriyama has proved time and time again that he can be very unpredictable.

Again, what does the build, physique or appearance of a warrior have ANYTHING to do with how powerful they might be in the Dragonball universe? Obviously that comment on Champa's build was a harmless joke, nothing more.

Sometimes it's better to postulate no scenarios at all than to hastily estimate that one warrior has a strong probability of being above another based on virtually nothing at all. "Heavily implied" is just going to far, and sorry about that, Doctor.

We really have no strong, solid basis to estimate how Vados compares to Whis, either they fight each other (far-fetched scenario) or official info on the subject either by a character or by an official source is released, otherwise saying she must be, or has a strong probability or being above Whis just because she trained him in the past and said she was is no good reason to substantiate the claim that she probably is above Whis, for the reasons specified before in this particular discussion.

Please move on, guys, no definitive conclusion will be reached on this subject in these circumstances.

I know it was a harmless joke. But he's not understanding it as a joke and thinks that she's confirming he's weaker than Beerus. Except that's not the case.

[fadeddreams5]

What? How is being skin and bones having a "better build"? You'd have /no/ build at that point, because you're skin at bones. Think of it this way: Who could lift more? A fat guy or a skin-and-bones guy? Being fat, in and of itself, implies that you naturally have more muscle than someone skinny.

Beerus is not skin and bones. He's thin, yeah, but he has a muscular build, which reflects his athleticism. A fat guy with Champa's build (specifically, this sort of build) likely lifts less because he probably doesn't lift at all!

Also, Beerus laughing at the idea of the two of them fighting could be him being prideful and thinking they're stronger. Or something else. A multitude of reasons. I think that we're jumping to conclusions way too fast and not thinking about it enough. It's the reason why we were wrong about almost every assumption we've made so far about both Battle Of Gods and Resurrection F. I think Toriyama has proved time and time again that he can be very unpredictable.

It's clear as day Champa was implied to be weaker. They can retract that later, but there's no other interpretation of that scene. Hell, Champa's entire idea of a tournament shows he doubts his ability to beat Beerus 1v1. Not to mention, he was avoiding him like a plague earlier in the manga.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Gee wiz, y'all. I guess this means Vegeta is confirmed as being stronger than Goku. Why? He said so. Because they're rivals, and despite being stronger or weaker, that's what they do. Hi, and welcome to literally every single anime trope out there. Why are we still having trouble with this? Vegeta boasts he's stronger than Goku all the time. Is it true? No. So why all of a sudden are we, "Guys! Vados confirms she's stronger because she said so, despite them not fighting in over 1,000 years!"? Lol guys... Come on now. We're not un-used to this. Kuwabara always boasted about "being able to kick Yusuke's ass.", but it was never true. And the same goes for many popular and iconic rivalries in anime out there.

We have to stop taking things as being, "heavily implied" and stop assuming things. We're falling into traps here, y'all. Lol.

[Doctor.]

Both with those examples, they were always proven wrong. Vados hasn't been proven wrong, so WHY should we doubt her?

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Both with those examples, they were always proven wrong. Vados hasn't been proven wrong, so WHY should we doubt her?

BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T FOUGHT EACH OTHER IN OVER 1,000 YEARS. *headdesk*

[Doctor.]

Goku and Piccolo hadn't fought eachother in 5 years at the beginning of Z, and guess who was still stronger? Same with Vegeta and Goku in the Boo arc.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Goku and Piccolo hadn't fought eachother in 5 years at the beginning of Z, and guess who was still stronger? Same with Vegeta and Goku in the Boo arc.

Woah man. You sure got me. 5 yeaars. 1,000 years. Same thing, basically.

[Doctor.]

For beings like Whis and Beerus, who apparently live for millions of years, yes it's basically the same thing. The point is, if we have no reason besides time to believe that their strength in comparison to each-other has changed, then Vados is still stronger until proven otherwise.

Also, lay off the tone.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

For beings like Whis and Beerus, who apparently live for millions of years, yes it's basically the same thing. The point is, if we have no reason besides time to believe that their strength in comparison to each-other has changed, then Vados is still stronger until proven otherwise.

Also, lay off the tone.

I'm just saying. This are some incredibly giant accusations you're making here based off of a few lines of dialogue.

[Doctor.]

It can change, I'm not saying it's definitive. I'm saying that we don't really have any reason to doubt Vados' statement as of yet.

[MaGyunia]

Are you guys still over this? Everything because a recently-introduced character said she was stronger than another? I guess it's pointless to repeat what I've been saying in my last posts in this thread. End the discussion, this gets none of us nowhere, nor can it.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

It can change, I'm not saying it's definitive. I'm saying that we don't really have any reason to doubt Vados' statement as of yet.

And I hope you know, that goes both ways. We have no reason to either disprove OR believe what she says.

[MaGyunia]

It can change, I'm not saying it's definitive. I'm saying that we don't really have any reason to doubt Vados' statement as of yet.

We have absolutely NO reason to contradict her statement NOR to believe it. How many times do we have to repeat the same reasons for how inconsequential and pointless this discussion is?

[raulvalente]

I would say that Whis is stronger than Vados because, even if Vados trained him 1,000 years ago... look at the Gods they live with.

Beerus likes fighting, even if he's lazy sometimes. It doesn't seem to me that Champa would be a God who likes fighting and training, so I think the long period of time that Whis spent training with Beerus improved his skills and made him stronger than Vados, who I think that didn't particularly train in the last 1,000 years.

Does this make any sense?

[MaGyunia]

I would say that Whis is stronger than Vados because, even if Vados trained him 1,000 years ago... look at the Gods they live with.

Beerus likes fighting, even if he's lazy sometimes. It doesn't seem to me that Champa would be a God who likes fighting and training, so I think the long period of time that Whis spent with Beerus training improved his skills and made him stronger than Vados, who I think that didn't particularly train in the last 1,000 years.

Does this make any sense?

The outcome of the results of Whis' and Vados' training of their respective Hakaishins can be one way to measure their teaching skills, not necessarily their power.

But comparing Beerus and Champa, instead of Whis and Vados, I do believe that the schemes Champa undergoes, as opposed to Beerus straight-forward, proud way of approaching his goals makes me think he's got at least a much more admirable personality than Champa, regardless of his laziness and his instances of destroying more stuff than he's supposed to over trivial matters, at his whims. We've all grown fond of Beerus and, to some degree, Whis. I hope the Beerus + Whis duo turns out victorious over the Vados + Champa duo in whatever conflict they get involved in against each other.

[Neon Z]

Both with those examples, they were always proven wrong. Vados hasn't been proven wrong, so WHY should we doubt her?

Because Whis himself questions her? It's not just some conclusion reached by fans, but something actually questioned in the show itself.

[Faustus]

So with Champa's sneaking around, the Super Dragon Balls hinted to be planet-sized, and planets "mysteriously" disappearing, does anyone else share my sneaking suspicion that Champa's not really after U7 Earth for its food (that's just a front)... but for the humongous Super DB that's lurking beneath its crust? And that (if the Super DBs are indeed planets or planet-like) this strange vanishing of planets is in fact Champa furtively transporting them back to his universe?

Dun, dun, duuuun...

[Araki]

So with Champa's sneaking around, the Super Dragon Balls hinted to be planet-sized, and planets "mysteriously" disappearing, does anyone else share my sneaking suspicion that Champa's not really after U7 Earth for its food (that's just a front)... but for the humongous Super DB that's lurking beneath its crust? And that (if the Super DBs are indeed planets or planet-like) this strange vanishing of planets is in fact Champa furtively transporting them back to his universe?

Dun, dun, duuuun...

I'm not sure about Earth being a Super Dragon Ball (Champa wasn't even aware of it), but the theory that those vanishing planets are the giant-sized Super Dragon Balls is very solid.

Of course, there's also the possibility that Champa is smarter than he looks and Beerus was playing into his hands. Or that he needs certain planets to "summon" the SDBs, and by chance Earth ends up fitting the bill.

[ArchedThunder]

So with Champa's sneaking around, the Super Dragon Balls hinted to be planet-sized, and planets "mysteriously" disappearing, does anyone else share my sneaking suspicion that Champa's not really after U7 Earth for its food (that's just a front)... but for the humongous Super DB that's lurking beneath its crust? And that (if the Super DBs are indeed planets or planet-like) this strange vanishing of planets is in fact Champa furtively transporting them back to his universe?

Dun, dun, duuuun...

If so, my only question is why are the (or at least some of the) Super Dragon Balls in Universe 7? Did the people of Universe 6 send them to 7 to try and hide them from Champa?