Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[dbzfan7]

He already fucking used SSJ2 in the Tenkaichi Budokai.

Goku also used ssj1 against Freeza yet he had to train it in order to use it freely instead of relaying on luck when something happens.

He clearly knew how to use SSJ2, he even asks if Kibito would like to see him go beyond SSJ. He knows how to use SSJ2.

Where can you go with Gohan at this point ? The reason they're sticking with Goku&Vegeta is because they're interesting characters with room to develop and build stories around but Gohan ? After Cell he's become a boring character who doesn't care about training so why would anyone look to him when Goku&Vegeta are around ?

Many ways. Like how he's a warrior with massive potential who can't count on his dad forever. He has more potential than anyone, and if he squanders it, people could get hurt if he's not ready to defend them. Threats keep coming to earth, and he needs to protect his family. He can realize this. Also this movie may even have them on their own without Goku and Vegeta for a while, perfectly cementing this fact that he can't count on others to do the job. The one thing out of the stupid blog post even suggests he needs to train (even if it's for something he can easily handle)

Then there's the silly route of the Great Saiyaman being the protector of the world, so then we'd have hilarity ensue if Great Saiyaman fights off super powered bad guys.

Then there's the fact Gohan has always needed some form of help to protect the world. The next logical step for him to be able to not need help anymore. One doesn't have to be a training junkie to accomplish this...especially since Gohan only spending a little time training, gives him much better gains than pretty much anyone. He's always been that talented when he puts his mind to it.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Regarding the Gohan statement about thinking he can go SS despite already doing so in BoG, well what if he didn't realise he went SS in the ritual? Just like how Goku didn't realise he depowered from God to base and then powered up to SS until Beerus told him.

[TheGmGoken]

"why should that be the case?" Fans want Gohan to be back to his prime. We want Ultimate Gohan to kick ass and have some relevancy. So writers should....MAKE THAT HAPPEN! It's possible to do this without stealing Goku's glory away if that's what they fear.

At the very least, give us, through dialogue, an explanation as to why he's not tapping into that power. We have waited over a decade for that...

Where can you go with Gohan at this point ? The reason they're sticking with Goku&Vegeta is because they're the most popular characters with room to develop and make the most money but Gohan ? After Cell he's become a boring character who doesn't care about training so why would anyone look to him when Goku&Vegeta are around ?

The only way I can see him becoming relevant again is if something happens to those 2 but even then they would probably have to have whoever be weak for him to able to stand a chance.

Fixed. Money is everything. Which isn't bad and is actually a smart business point. But curious. How much devolpment do Vegeta needs? He's going through a cycle now and repeating himself.

Kakarot is better than me
I've surpassed Kakarot
I'm a warrior fuck the Earth
I love the Earth
I hate my family
I love my family! How dare you touch them
Saiyan pride

This been going on since CELL ARC. Same old shit. Vegeta even makes the same facial expressions when he gets shocked. Nothing new happens with Vegeta ever. He's a product of lucky sperm. It's a wrestling term meaning he's only got so far because he's big. In this case Vegeta is lucky he's a Saiyan and popular. Best believe his role was originally intended for Piccolo and even Ten.

[sintzu]

He clearly knew how to use SSJ2, he even asks if Kibito would like to see him go beyond SSJ. He knows how to use SSJ2.

I know he can but based on what Goku said there would be times where the user wouldn't be able to use the form if he hadn't trained and that's exactly what happened with Gohan.

Even against Buu he tried but could only go Ssj and even said that he's angry but not like before meaning that at the moment he needed his anger in order to use it unlike at the Budokai.

[EXBadguy]

Kakarot is better than me
I've surpassed Kakarot
I'm a warrior fuck the Earth
I love the Earth
I hate my family
I love my family! How dare you touch them
Saiyan pride

I'll never fight again! I'll just be a family man.
Looks like I'ma give up, cuz Kakkarot is obviously better than me. He's number one!

[dbzfan7]

He clearly knew how to use SSJ2, he even asks if Kibito would like to see him go beyond SSJ. He knows how to use SSJ2.

I know he can but based on what Goku said there would be times where the user wouldn't be able to use the form if he hadn't trained and that's exactly what happened with Gohan.

Even against Buu he tried but could only go Ssj and even said that he's angry but not like before meaning that at the moment he needed his anger in order to use it unlike at the Budokai.

His anger in the Budokai did not push him over. He can use SSJ2 freely. Besides this Boo monster would simply kill everyone including Videl if he's released, so that's more than enough anger right there. He just can't reach his Cell Saga power since he isn't that enraged. He can go SSJ2, but not tap into his full power.

[sintzu]

Money is everything.

He's going through a cycle now and repeating himself.

Best believe his role was originally intended for Piccolo and even Ten.

True which means they need to make good stories which means they need to use Goku&Vegeta.

Let's see :

Saiyan/Namek: He's an evil piece of **** who likes killing and wants to rule the universe.
Cell : He's not as good as he is now but we see that he's no where near as bad as before thanks to living on earth.
Buu : He tries to go back to the good old days but realizes that he's not that person anymore and finally decides to fight for his family and earth then admit that he's been living wrong and Goku is a better person then him.
Beerus : His pride means nothing to him when it comes to defending earth and his family which we got a little bit in the Buu arc but it's a lot more present here.
Freeza : After years of build up he's finally ready to take front stage in defending earth and taking down the main villain.

So can you tell me what's being repeated exactly ? cause each arc he goes through something different as you can read above.

It was ? Can you post the link to where you got that ?

[Abel Taylor]

Piccolo looks shocked at something in the trailer when he is fighting.
I think it is Frieza. What about you all?

[Kakarot9001]

Why couldn't exist two Hells?

There could be two or more levels of Hell in Dragon Ball but nothing is stated that there is. The only proof that we have is that there is only one level of Hell in the series. I think the new movies from Toriyama can not have GT fit into them. In GT, Freeza seems to be just as weak as he was on Namek while in ROF, he's strong enough to kill Buuhan in one blow. I doubt he will power from training. If he can train now then he won't be even more stronger now in GT if he knows that training can make him stronger.

Like I said before let's first what this movie before making these statements, also... WTF? I mean... Nobody, but nobody really complains about something like that to happen in this movie? Freeza that was defeated and later killed by untrained Super Saiyans could only train 4 months to surpass Super Boo (Gohan absorbed)? This make me feel so underhyped about this movie lol

[fadeddreams5]

Is the purpose of this story to just be fan service and let the fans decide what happens though, or is it for Toriyama to tell his story?

If he thinks Gohan is past his prime, then that's how it is. He's never been a fighter at heart, so why would he be presented at the peak of his power?

Honestly, I don't think Toriyama should make anything DBZ-related on his own without a good editor nagging him. I love the guy for giving us this great franchise, but he seems to just want to make his own thing without any regard to the source material. But that's another story.

The majority of fans disliked Gohan's pussification after the Cell saga. He finally became a badass against Buu, but then the spotlight was taken away from him in favor of Goku. Fast forward to EoZ, and he's a dork. Fast forward to GT, and he's an even bigger dork who can't go mystic.

Nobody likes this. I can generalize that too. I doubt anyone in this fanbase likes this Gohan more than the confident badass who took on Buu, or the kid who defeated Cell. So you're telling me I should praise Toriyama and accept his work because it's his decision to make Gohan a generic background fighter?

For him to be back to his prime, he would need to train, but that's not in his character

Only because Toriyama fucked over his character after the Cell Games. It's the opposite of how he was presented as a child. He started out terrified of fighting. He later fought to protect. Then, he hesitated because he didn't want to be the one to kill someone in a pointless tournament. But finally, he snapped into reality and surpassed his father. After the sacrifice of Goku, Gohan should have actually become MORE of a fighter because Goku was not around to protect everyone (including Gohan) anymore. THAT would have been more in-character after that saga.

Besides, he liked to train as a kid. Chi Chi nagged him to study, but he never did it voluntarily. If anything, he was out of character during the entire Buu and Great Saiyaman thing. -.-

[dbzfan7]

Fixed. Money is everything. Which isn't bad and is actually a smart business point. But curious. How much devolpment do Vegeta needs? He's going through a cycle now and repeating himself.

Kakarot is better than me
I've surpassed Kakarot
I'm a warrior fuck the Earth
I love the Earth
I hate my family
I love my family! How dare you touch them
Saiyan pride

This been going on since CELL ARC. Same old shit. Vegeta even makes the same facial expressions when he gets shocked. Nothing new happens with Vegeta ever. He's a product of lucky sperm. It's a wrestling term meaning he's only got so far because he's big. In this case Vegeta is lucky he's a Saiyan and popular. Best believe his role was originally intended for Piccolo and even Ten.

Literally the issue is if Vegeta and Goku are so developed, why aren't we developing other people who could use some development or use? Anyone can be relevant depending on how a story is relevant. A good story teller expands on it's characters, not picks a few and tells the others to fuck off.

I doubt anyone in this fanbase likes this Gohan more than the confident badass who took on Buu, or the kid who defeated Cell. So you're telling me I should praise Toriyama and accept his work because it's his decision to make Gohan a generic background fighter?

I do. I love Saiyaman and all the dorky shit he does. I like how he isn't a training junkie and can be so much more. I hate how he's generic background fighter and Goku and Vegeta stealing away his attributes.

[Dayspring]

Um..the general audience in Japan told Toei that Gohan shouldn't be SSJ in BoG. Kinda goes against your argument. It's a reason why Korea made Gohan's hair black in the BOG poster (because Korea is awesome). It's an official well known DB fact. You don't insult your audience intelligence.

It's not an official fact, it's that there's no reason for him to have gone SSJ in the Boo saga. Having done so would have gotten him all the negatives of SSJ (minute as they may have become) without any of the benefits because his full potential had already been released.

BoG had two reasons for him to be SSJ. One is that he hasn't trained in four years, so his base form is no longer as powerful as his "Mystic" form. However, with SSJ tapping into an amount equal to up to 50x his base, this became irrelevant. All he has to do is go SSJ and he will either hit his max or become 50x stronger, whichever is the smaller amount. The other reason is that they did this so as to transfer energy to Goku faster. Note how Goku and Vegeta also went SSJ instead of SSJ2 and SSJ3.



On a related note, that picture of Freeza's body parts trying to reassemble shows us why he came back in bits: his cybernetics make it so that he's not wounded, so much as disassembled. The plothole therefore would have been had Shenron brought him back all scorched from Trunks' finishing ki blast.

[fadeddreams5]

"why should that be the case?" Fans want Gohan to be back to his prime. We want Ultimate Gohan to kick ass and have some relevancy. So writers should....MAKE THAT HAPPEN! It's possible to do this without stealing Goku's glory away if that's what they fear.

At the very least, give us, through dialogue, an explanation as to why he's not tapping into that power. We have waited over a decade for that...

Where can you go with Gohan at this point ? The reason they're sticking with Goku&Vegeta is because they're interesting characters with room to develop and build stories around but Gohan ? After Cell he's become a boring character who doesn't care about training so why would anyone look to him when Goku&Vegeta are around ?

The only way I can see him becoming relevant again is if something happens to those 2 but even then they would probably have to have whoever be weak for him to able to stand a chance.

There are ways to make him relevant and save him, but I think we'd need a series for that. That, or a movie starring him, which will never happen. lol

[sintzu]

So you're telling me I should praise Toriyama and accept his work because it's his decision to make Gohan a generic background fighter?

Besides, he liked to train as a kid.

If that's what it takes to make a good story then yes.

Kids change.

[TheGmGoken]

Money is everything.

He's going through a cycle now and repeating himself.

Best believe his role was originally intended for Piccolo and even Ten.

True which means they need to make good stories which means they need to use Goku&Vegeta.

Let's see :

Saiyan/Namek: He's an evil piece of **** who likes killing and wants to rule the universe.
Cell : He's not as good as he is now but we see that he's no where near as bad as before thanks to living on earth.
Buu : He tries to go back to the good old days but realizes that he's not that person anymore and finally decides to fight for his family and earth then admit that he's been living wrong and Goku is a better person then him.
Beerus : His pride means nothing to him when it comes to defending earth and his family which we got a little bit in the Buu arc but it's a lot more present here.
Freeza : After years of build up he's finally ready to take front stage in defending earth and taking down the main villain.

So can you tell me what's being repeated exactly ? cause each arc he goes through something different as you can read above.

It was ? Can you post the link to where you got that ?

OR they can make money off of EVERYONE. Depending on location Gohan is the second or third most money maker in DB. How about make at least 3 characters you can center around and make the supporting cast strong! Making good stories(Like the old days), Everyone looks strong (Like on Namek and Cell Arc), and Goku/Vegeta is still the main event.

That's a poor list you made Imo. That doesn't gives development at all. You just described how he was at the beginning of the arc. But if you must.

Cell Arc: I don't fuck with my family. I'm a warrior Suddenly Trunks is killed. How dare you kill my son. Both Kakarot and Gohan has surpassed me. I quit

Transition Arc: I will surpass Kakarot at the Tenkaichi Budokai

Boo Arc: I don't give a damn about those two. I'm a warrior! I do this for you Trunks and Bulma. Kakarot you've surpassed me! You're the best. *End of Z* One day I'll show you defeat Kakarot!

BoG: How dare you hit my family! I surpassed you Kakarot!

Same. Old. Shit. It's getting old. Vegeta from the end of Cell arc is no different than BoG Vegeta. They're even in the same costume!

It was ? Can you post the link to where you got that ?

Not a fact. It was just obvious on how the story was written. Even with Toriyama writing.

[dbzfan7]

So you're telling me I should praise Toriyama and accept his work because it's his decision to make Gohan a generic background fighter?

Besides, he liked to train as a kid.

Kids change.

Saiyaman says hello. Unless he just talks criminals into stop doing bad all the time.

[sintzu]

How about make at least 3 characters you can center around and make the supporting cast strong! Making good stories(Like the old days), Everyone looks strong (Like on Namek and Cell Arc), and Goku/Vegeta is still the main event.

That's a poor list you made Imo.

Vegeta from the end of Cell arc is no different than BoG Vegeta.

That's what they're doing in ROF,Gohan and the others are going to fight Freeza's men while Goku&Vegeta fight Freeza.

That's how his character changed through the story.

So you're saying that Cell arc Vegeta who put the entire world at risk for his prise is the same BOG Vegeta who threw away his pride in order to defend earth ?

[Big Momma]

This time, everyone will have to to turn out in full-force if we want to win against Freeza’s 1000-strong army!

He's saying everyone will need to be at full power if they want to win. Nowhere does he mention anything about protecting the earth in that comment.

He's saying that because it's the typical shounen thing to say when hyping up a new story. There is no "In-Universe" explanation for this, it's literally a marketing phrase to get the kiddies hyped up.

No it doesn't. Because if the soldiers just wanted to kill the Earthlings, it would take a fraction of a second for one of them to just fire a single non-compressed blast at the ground to wipe out all life on the planet that couldn't survive the resulting apocalyptic event.

Of course they could do that ,but then there would be no plot and the movie would end quickly.


It's the same deal with this silly "Gohan vs 1000" debate. It doesn't matter if he could or couldn't technically beat them on his own. The army is there to give the other characters a chance to fight. They're hyping up the strength of the army because that's what you do when advertising a new threat.

I dunno about you, but when I hear the word "Super Saiyan God", I expect it to look like a god, NOT a rehash skinny knockoff of the Kaioken form.

Gotta admit, it would have been pretty cool if Goku had turned into some kind of Cat creature.

[dbzfan7]

How about make at least 3 characters you can center around and make the supporting cast strong! Making good stories(Like the old days), Everyone looks strong (Like on Namek and Cell Arc), and Goku/Vegeta is still the main event.

That's a poor list you made Imo.

Vegeta from the end of Cell arc is no different than BoG Vegeta.

That's what they're doing in ROF,Gohan and the others are going to fight Freeza's men while Goku&Vegeta fight Freeza.

That's how his character changed through the story.

So you're saying that Cell arc Vegeta who put the entire world at risk for his prise is the same BOG Vegeta who threw away his pride in order to defend earth ?

There's no development doing that...it's padding.

His point is Vegeta goes through the same lessons over and over again, as well as the same mood changes. His character changes, but his issues are almost always the same.

[TheGmGoken]

How about make at least 3 characters you can center around and make the supporting cast strong! Making good stories(Like the old days), Everyone looks strong (Like on Namek and Cell Arc), and Goku/Vegeta is still the main event.

That's a poor list you made Imo.

Vegeta from the end of Cell arc is no different than BoG Vegeta.

That's what they're doing in ROF,Gohan and the others are going to fight Freeza's men while Goku&Vegeta fight Freeza.

That's how his character changed through the story.

So you're saying that Cell arc Vegeta who put the entire world at risk for his prise is the same BOG Vegeta who threw away his pride in order to defend earth ?

Fighting 2,000,000(random number) weak soilders that even Roshi can beat is NOT making Gohan useful or building or developing anyone. It's more like "We got nothing to do for you guys so fight Saibamen for 45 minutes of the movie". And yes I believe END of Cell games Vegeta - Boo Arc Vegeta would defend Earth anytime.

His point is Vegeta goes through the same lessons over and over again, as well as the same mood changes. His character changes, but his issues are almost always the same.

Basically this. It's like Ross from Friends. Same relationship issues, same divorces, and different character but same issue