"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Miracles]

Once again, the manga reveals the reasons why things were happening that occurred in the anime with little to no explanation.
Good job Toriyama.

[HeroR]

Once again, the manga reveals the reasons why things were happening that occurred in the anime with little to no explanation.
Good job Toriyama.

Toriyama doesn't write the manga.

[Freeza9000]

Once again, the manga reveals the reasons why things were happening that occurred in the anime with little to no explanation.
Good job Toriyama.

*Toyotaro

[TKA]

Toriyama's notes. Both are deserving of praise.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Some issues:
- Zamasu was stated to be a prodigy, how come he didn't power up despite the fact that he had nearly 20 years to train with a lot of motivation to do so?

- Gohan knowing the Taiyoken came out of nowhere.

- Why the fuck did Goku power down? Did he miss the memo that doing that makes you lose 90% of your power?

[HeroR]

Some issues:
- Zamasu was stated to be a prodigy, how come he didn't power up despite the fact that he had nearly 20 years to train with a lot of motivation to do so?

- Gohan knowing the Taiyoken came out of nowhere.

- Why the fuck did Goku power down? Did he miss the memo that doing that makes you lose 90% of your power?

Zamasu did power up. He just isn't as strong as Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku just like his anime counterpart.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Some issues:
- Zamasu was stated to be a prodigy, how come he didn't power up despite the fact that he had nearly 20 years to train with a lot of motivation to do so?

- Gohan knowing the Taiyoken came out of nowhere.

- Why the fuck did Goku power down? Did he miss the memo that doing that makes you lose 90% of your power?

Zamasu did power up. He just isn't as strong as Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku just like his anime counterpart.

Judging by the way he's talking, he's weaker than even SSJ Goku without his magic which makes no sense. Even our Kaioshin should at least be close to SSJ Goku judging by his feats back in the Buu Arc, Zamasu should have already surpassed SSJ Goku in the present timeline, let alone ~20 years in the future.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Judging by the way he's talking, he's weaker than even SSJ Goku without his magic which makes no sense. Even our Kaioshin should at least be close to SSJ Goku judging by his feats back in the Buu Arc, Zamasu should have already surpassed SSJ Goku in the present timeline, let alone ~20 years in the future.

Piccolo is a Super Namekian and a prodigy that has merged with another prodigy (Nail), yet he can't surpass the Super Saiyans after all these years of training. Zamasu had been training for years before Super, what makes you think that he hasn't reached his limits like most of the Z-Fighters have at this point?

[HeroR]

Judging by the way he's talking, he's weaker than even SSJ Goku without his magic which makes no sense. Even our Kaioshin should at least be close to SSJ Goku judging by his feats back in the Buu Arc, Zamasu should have already surpassed SSJ Goku in the present timeline, let alone ~20 years in the future.

Piccolo is a Super Namekian and a prodigy that has merged with another prodigy (Nail), yet he can't surpass the Super Saiyans after all these years of training. Zamasu had been training for years before Super, what makes you think that he hasn't reached his limits like most of the Z-Fighters have at this point?

It isn't like Super Saiyan is a set level, especially since Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan are prodigies. Piccolo is also stronger than Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks as far as we know. Also, the strongest Supreme Kai in U7 was able to trade hands with Kid Buu, which is why he was absorbed. So a prodigy like Zamasu should be stronger than that.

But from what Goku said, Zamasu is just weak compared to Black who was smashing Vegeta at the time. So manga Zamasu maybe a little weaker than his anime counterpart, but he's still within the power range of Goku's god form as I read it.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Judging by the way he's talking, he's weaker than even SSJ Goku without his magic which makes no sense. Even our Kaioshin should at least be close to SSJ Goku judging by his feats back in the Buu Arc, Zamasu should have already surpassed SSJ Goku in the present timeline, let alone ~20 years in the future.

Piccolo is a Super Namekian and a prodigy that has merged with another prodigy (Nail), yet he can't surpass the Super Saiyans after all these years of training. Zamasu had been training for years before Super, what makes you think that he hasn't reached his limits like most of the Z-Fighters have at this point?

In that case Zamasu shouldn't even be considered a prodigy if he's barely able to surpass our Kaioshin who himself admits for a Kaioshin he's quite weak. If you take the anime into account Southern Kaioshin is at SSJ3 tier at least.

Judging by the way he's talking, he's weaker than even SSJ Goku without his magic which makes no sense. Even our Kaioshin should at least be close to SSJ Goku judging by his feats back in the Buu Arc, Zamasu should have already surpassed SSJ Goku in the present timeline, let alone ~20 years in the future.

Piccolo is a Super Namekian and a prodigy that has merged with another prodigy (Nail), yet he can't surpass the Super Saiyans after all these years of training. Zamasu had been training for years before Super, what makes you think that he hasn't reached his limits like most of the Z-Fighters have at this point?

It isn't like Super Saiyan is a set level, especially since Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan are prodigies. Piccolo is also stronger than Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks as far as we know. Also, the strongest Supreme Kai in U7 was able to trade hands with Kid Buu, which is why he was absorbed. So a prodigy like Zamasu should be stronger than that.

But from what Goku said, Zamasu is just weak compared to Black who was smashing Vegeta at the time. So manga Zamasu maybe a little weaker than his anime counterpart, but he's still within the power range of Goku's god form as I read it.

But Goku was obviously pretty confident in fighting him as SSJ, and Zamasu says, "Even without sheer strength, I can still fight like a God" while he uses his magic against SSJ Goku so it seems pretty clear that SSJ Goku > Zamasu.

Also, assuming SSRose and SSBlue have the same multiplier Black should be at least 5x stronger than Vegeta right now.

[kinisking]

Judging by the way he's talking, he's weaker than even SSJ Goku without his magic which makes no sense. Even our Kaioshin should at least be close to SSJ Goku judging by his feats back in the Buu Arc, Zamasu should have already surpassed SSJ Goku in the present timeline, let alone ~20 years in the future.

Piccolo is a Super Namekian and a prodigy that has merged with another prodigy (Nail), yet he can't surpass the Super Saiyans after all these years of training. Zamasu had been training for years before Super, what makes you think that he hasn't reached his limits like most of the Z-Fighters have at this point?

It hasn't been stated or hinted at that's why.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Judging by the way he's talking, he's weaker than even SSJ Goku without his magic which makes no sense. Even our Kaioshin should at least be close to SSJ Goku judging by his feats back in the Buu Arc, Zamasu should have already surpassed SSJ Goku in the present timeline, let alone ~20 years in the future.

Piccolo is a Super Namekian and a prodigy that has merged with another prodigy (Nail), yet he can't surpass the Super Saiyans after all these years of training. Zamasu had been training for years before Super, what makes you think that he hasn't reached his limits like most of the Z-Fighters have at this point?

It hasn't been stated or hinted at that's why.

Also, he's just an apprentice and hasn't even finished his training, it'd be weird if he's already hit his limits. It's pretty clearly implied that he's fairly young, at least for a Kaioshin.

[HeroR]

But Goku was obviously pretty confident in fighting him as SSJ, and Zamasu says, "Even without sheer strength, I can still fight like a God" while he uses his magic against SSJ Goku so it seems pretty clear that SSJ Goku > Zamasu.

Also, assuming SSRose and SSBlue have the same multiplier Black should be at least 5x stronger than Vegeta right now.

He stabbed him in his god form and then powered down.

[TheUltimateNinja]

But Goku was obviously pretty confident in fighting him as SSJ, and Zamasu says, "Even without sheer strength, I can still fight like a God" while he uses his magic against SSJ Goku so it seems pretty clear that SSJ Goku > Zamasu.

Also, assuming SSRose and SSBlue have the same multiplier Black should be at least 5x stronger than Vegeta right now.

He stabbed him in his god form and then powered down.

And he stayed in SSJ even after he saw that Zamasu was immortal.

[HeroR]

But Goku was obviously pretty confident in fighting him as SSJ, and Zamasu says, "Even without sheer strength, I can still fight like a God" while he uses his magic against SSJ Goku so it seems pretty clear that SSJ Goku > Zamasu.

Also, assuming SSRose and SSBlue have the same multiplier Black should be at least 5x stronger than Vegeta right now.

He stabbed him in his god form and then powered down.

And he stayed in SSJ even after he saw that Zamasu was immortal.

He probably didn't transformed again since Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan suffers a 90% power dropped if he did it twice in a row. So him staying Super Saiyan was the best option.

[TheUltimateNinja]

He stabbed him in his god form and then powered down.

And he stayed in SSJ even after he saw that Zamasu was immortal.

He probably didn't transformed again since Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan suffers a 90% power dropped if he did it twice in a row. So him staying Super Saiyan was the best option.

He could have used SSJ2, SSJ3 or SSGod.

[HeroR]

He could have used SSJ2, SSJ3 or SSGod.

He probably figured it wasn't worth wasting stamina since Zamasu was an immortal and nothing Goku did at that point meant anything.

[TheUltimateNinja]

He could have used SSJ2, SSJ3 or SSGod.

He probably figured it wasn't worth wasting stamina since Zamasu was an immortal and nothing Goku did at that point meant anything.

Toyotaro ruined the power scale again. Zamasu should be stronger than SSJ3 by now, let alone SSJ. When Goku powered down Zamasu should have said something like, "I don't even need magic to beat you as you are now."

[TKA]

Some issues:
- Zamasu was stated to be a prodigy, how come he didn't power up despite the fact that he had nearly 20 years to train with a lot of motivation to do so?

- Gohan knowing the Taiyoken came out of nowhere.

- Why the fuck did Goku power down? Did he miss the memo that doing that makes you lose 90% of your power?

1. Some 10 year old somewhere has probably been described as a science prodigy. Doesn't mean that 10 year old will go on to be smarter than Albert Einstein. Stop thinking in such "anime" terms.

In addition, Zamas being as strong as he was in the anime but still being just an apprentice makes one wonder why the Kaioshin in Universe 6 were so weak that they got massacred by Pure Buu. Adding further, Zamas being that strong in the anime makes no sense since he supposedly took Goku's body to be strong... yet he can get that strong on his own AND be immortal?

2. No, no it didn't. All of the main cast swap around techniques. Goku picked it up just seeing it used once, and we know Gohan has seen it used before. In addition, he learned it from Future Gohan, who was an adult warrior.

3. Zamas is nowhere near the same class of fighter Hit is. Just because Hit could take advantage of the weakness doesn't mean Zamas could. Goku had nothing to fear.

[HeroR]

He could have used SSJ2, SSJ3 or SSGod.

He probably figured it wasn't worth wasting stamina since Zamasu was an immortal and nothing Goku did at that point meant anything.

Toyotaro ruined the power scale again. Zamasu should be stronger than SSJ3 by now, let alone SSJ. When Goku powered down Zamasu should have said something like, "I don't even need magic to beat you as you are now."

He's about as strong as he was in the anime, just a little weaker. Trunks getting blows in means nothing since Trunks also got blows in on Rose Black. Goku was just being a moron from powering down, dropping his guard like Whis warned him.

Some issues:
- Zamasu was stated to be a prodigy, how come he didn't power up despite the fact that he had nearly 20 years to train with a lot of motivation to do so?

- Gohan knowing the Taiyoken came out of nowhere.

- Why the fuck did Goku power down? Did he miss the memo that doing that makes you lose 90% of your power?

1. Some 10 year old somewhere has probably been described as a science prodigy. Doesn't mean that 10 year old will go on to be smarter than Albert Einstein. Stop thinking in such "anime" terms.

In addition, Zamas being as strong as he was in the anime but still being just an apprentice makes one wonder why the Kaioshin in Universe 6 were so weak that they got massacred by Pure Buu. Adding further, Zamas being that strong in the anime makes no sense since he supposedly took Goku's body to be strong... yet he can get that strong on his own AND be immortal?

2. No, no it didn't. All of the main cast swap around techniques. Goku picked it up just seeing it used once, and we know Gohan has seen it used before. In addition, he learned it from Future Gohan, who was an adult warrior.

3. Zamas is nowhere near the same class of fighter Hit is. Just because Hit could take advantage of the weakness doesn't mean Zamas could. Goku had nothing to fear.

You mean U7, and East Supreme Kai is the weakest of the Supreme Kais. The strongest Supreme Kai traded blows with Kid Buu and was able to pushed him back, which is why he was absorbed. The Grand Supreme Kai wasn't as strong, but still very powerful. Enough for Buu to absorbed him. So both of those Kais were within Super Saiyan 3 Goku's range, although they weren't as strong as him. Zamasu was special since he was a lower Kai, like King Kai, who had a lot of power.

Although Future Zamasu was powerful, he was still weaker than what Black was able to become. Present Zamasu wanted Goku's body because he was a mortal who had the ability to surpassed the gods, including his own talents. Black also didn't want immortality because he enjoyed being challenged and fighting. He he took Goku's body, he took several of his characteristics.

Gohan has never learned any techniques just from seeing them a few times. The only copied technique he knows is the Kamehameha. Goku is special in that he can copy techniques from seeing them a few times, like Tien. Also, as I mentioned before, Gohan never saw the Solar Flare used. The one time he was in the area, he covered his eyes and was running for his life.

Goku was careless, plain and simple. He thought he won, got self-assured, and power down. The same weakness from Resurrection 'F'.