HeroR wrote:You mean U7, and East Supreme Kai is the weakest of the Supreme Kais. The strongest Supreme Kai traded blows with Kid Buu and was able to pushed him back, which is why he was absorbed.
Traded blows with something weaker than SS3 Goku. My statement about the kais being abnormally weak (in anime continuity) stands.
Although Future Zamasu was powerful, he was still weaker than what Black was able to become.
True as that may be, they were portrayed as equals throughout the lion's share of the arc, which was a poor writing decision since it raised so many unanswered questions.
Present Zamasu wanted Goku's body because he was a mortal who had the ability to surpassed the gods, including his own talents.
Which is a weak justification when he has the chance to be immortal AND has the natural ability to be more or less equal to Goku.
Black also didn't want immortality because he enjoyed being challenged and fighting. He he took Goku's body, he took several of his characteristics.
Stop. This isn't about Black. This is about Zamas going through this convoluted plan to take Goku's body when in the anime he has the potential to be in the same league as Goku, but is also immortal.
Gohan has never learned any techniques just from seeing them a few times.
Sure's a good thing I never said that's how he learned it.
But let's break this down some. How did the Krillmaster learn the Taiyoken? Offscreen training after witnessing Tenshinhan's use of it, most likely. The fact that the manga told us Trunks learned it from Gohan means Gohan either did the same thing Krillin did or did what Goku did.
Also, we've never seen Gohan learn ANY technique. We don't see most dragonball characters learning their moves. The manga just justified Trunks having it. That's all.
Also, as I mentioned before, Gohan never saw the Solar Flare used. The one time he was in the area, he covered his eyes and was running for his life.
Don't be so literal. Nobody can
see the Taiyoken being used since they'd go blind, yet people learn it without being taught by Tenshinhan how to do it.
Goku was careless, plain and simple. He thought he won, got self-assured, and power down. The same weakness from Resurrection 'F'.
I never said otherwise. It isn't a plot hole, or a down for the manga. It's Goku being Goku, and in a situation where all logic points to him being safe.
TheUltimateNinja wrote:But that 10 year old would certainly turn out superior to the average person.
No, not really. All the talent in the world means jack shit if you're not able to do anything with it, and being average isn't a handicap if you work hard enough. Zamas, even with his years of training, just wasn't able to make the grade. It's perfectly logical.
But to clear things up further, he's a prodigy among the kais. "Prodigious" is a completely relative term and not an objective quality, as you seem to think it is.
The average Kaioshin is stronger than a Super Saiyan, possibly Super Saiyan 2.
Really damn curious where you got that information from, especially since we've only seen 3 Kaioshin, all are weaker than our main characters and that Super Saiyan isn't a flat level.
Zamasu wasn't as strong as SSBlue, he was a good deal weaker,
No, the anime depicted him fighting on par with them in some scenes, getting outclassed in others and then fighting on par with them again.
it was only his immortality that was saving him. And there are still reasons for him to steal Goku's body:
1: He didn't want to spend decades training to achieve that power.
2. The power he achieved in the future was his natural limit and from that point onward his gains from training would slow down considerably, thus he needed a Saiyan body which could essentially improve forever
So what you're saying is even prodigies have limits that they can't overcome? Glad we agree!
Your first point makes little sense in the anime version where he's perfectly capable of fighting evenly with Goku and Vegeta though, sadly.
Even though this chapter implies Zamasu is weaker than an SSJ, logically he should be well over SSJ3 level. And Goku knows that Kaioshin have special abilities.
That's not "logically". That's you wanting that to be a thing. It's not a thing, and for good reason.
Goku's never seen a kaioshin fight on par with anyone of his level. He has no reason to think "this guy has special powers that could really come back to bite me!"
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