"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[MyNiggaGoku]

Post from /a/ regarding the anime and manga. Thoughts?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Amazing analysis.I completely agree with every statement in that pic.Both versions have their pros and cons,so it's up to every individual to choose what they like the most

This analysis was hilariously good, they certainly should have done a better job proofreading before publishing and it looks suspiciously similar to my style of writing.. ( I did NOT make this by the way...)
I'm actually more interested in seeing the counter arguments/production to this. I looks like someone actually took the time to investigate and provide evidence to their arguments. I will say they also projected and read into statements and quotes a little too much for my liking. But as everyone else has stated, everyone will have their preference.

I expect someone to put real work into making such picture about the anime.Tbh I hope that someone does that because having good analysis for both mediums will help the fandom in the long run.

[The gr]

Amazing analysis.I completely agree with every statement in that pic.Both versions have their pros and cons,so it's up to every individual to choose what they like the most

This analysis was hilariously good, they certainly should have done a better job proofreading before publishing and it looks suspiciously similar to my style of writing.. ( I did NOT make this by the way...)
I'm actually more interested in seeing the counter arguments/production to this. I looks like someone actually took the time to investigate and provide evidence to their arguments. I will say they also projected and read into statements and quotes a little too much for my liking. But as everyone else has stated, everyone will have their preference.

I expect someone to put real work into making such picture about the anime.Tbh I hope that someone does that because having good analysis for both mediums will help the fandom in the long run.

Agreed but tbh I'm not a fan of the powerscaling in the manga and zamasu motivation is meh despite fixing a plothole

[MyNiggaGoku]

This analysis was hilariously good, they certainly should have done a better job proofreading before publishing and it looks suspiciously similar to my style of writing.. ( I did NOT make this by the way...)
I'm actually more interested in seeing the counter arguments/production to this. I looks like someone actually took the time to investigate and provide evidence to their arguments. I will say they also projected and read into statements and quotes a little too much for my liking. But as everyone else has stated, everyone will have their preference.

I expect someone to put real work into making such picture about the anime.Tbh I hope that someone does that because having good analysis for both mediums will help the fandom in the long run.

Agreed but tbh I'm not a fan of the powerscaling in the manga and zamasu motivation is meh despite fixing a plothole

I think the manga is better in both cases but it's a matter of preference

[Doctor.]

I find it hilarious how the author of the image says "You're free to have an opinion" but then claims that the manga is objectively better, being a complete hypocrite in regards to the "don't be obnoxious about what version you like best" part.

Also, some things are just flat out wrong. The manga still retains a time loop and Frost is still compared to Freeza.

[LightBing]

I find it hilarious how the author of the image says "You're free to have an opinion" but then claims that the manga is objectively better, being a complete hypocrite in regards to the "don't be obnoxious about what version you like best" part.

Also, some things are just flat out wrong. The manga still retains a time loop and Frost is still compared to Freeza.

Yeah, I was scratching my head at that. The person clearly wrote this fuelled by his/her emotions of anger.
At least the author tried to justify his opinion. That has to be respected. Especially when compared with "the manga is better! and "the anime is better", lines people drop without further elaboration.

Why do people feel the need to put a medium against the other, I will never understand. It's one thing to compare them, neutrally. This meaningless squabbles just make forums and threads, like this one right here, unbearable.

[dbgtFO]

Why do people feel the need to put a medium against the other, I will never understand. It's one thing to compare them, neutrally. This meaningless squabbles just make forums and threads, like this one right here, unbearable.

It is simply human nature.

I haven't read that entire photo but I disagree with Goku fighting Zamasu as a bad thing, it adds to Zamasu's character and it makes sense with the investigative angle they were going for early in the arc. The other stuff is pretty indefensible, though.

Completely agreed. It was a good idea to have the two fight, so we could get to learn him a bit better and better follow his downwards slide to becoming a villain.
My main beef with the arc is still the timelines stuff, which apparentky came from Toriyama.

[MyNiggaGoku]

I find it hilarious how the author of the image says "You're free to have an opinion" but then claims that the manga is objectively better, being a complete hypocrite in regards to the "don't be obnoxious about what version you like best" part.

Also, some things are just flat out wrong. The manga still retains a time loop and Frost is still compared to Freeza.

Yeah, I was scratching my head at that. The person clearly wrote this fuelled by his/her emotions of anger.
At least the author tried to justify his opinion. That has to be respected. Especially when compared with "the manga is better! and "the anime is better", lines people drop without further elaboration.

Why do people feel the need to put a medium against the other, I will never understand. It's one thing to compare them, neutrally. This meaningless squabbles just make forums and threads, like this one right here, unbearable.

The true root of evil is this whole canon debate.Many fans think that one definitive canon must exist(for Super at least)be it the anime or the manga.One may support religiously the one medium while constantly pointing out the weaknesses of the other.That's what always happens and we end up witnessing these squabbles you mentioned.Most importantly you shouldn't let that affect your enjoyment of the show,either manga or anime or both.

[TheMikado]

^ exactly once people established that only one version of events could be correct, what did you expect would happen?

[The gr]

I find it hilarious how the author of the image says "You're free to have an opinion" but then claims that the manga is objectively better, being a complete hypocrite in regards to the "don't be obnoxious about what version you like best" part.

Also, some things are just flat out wrong. The manga still retains a time loop and Frost is still compared to Freeza.

Yeah, I was scratching my head at that. The person clearly wrote this fuelled by his/her emotions of anger.
At least the author tried to justify his opinion. That has to be respected. Especially when compared with "the manga is better! and "the anime is better", lines people drop without further elaboration.

Why do people feel the need to put a medium against the other, I will never understand. It's one thing to compare them, neutrally. This meaningless squabbles just make forums and threads, like this one right here, unbearable.

The true root of evil is this whole canon debate.Many fans think that one definitive canon must exist(for Super at least)be it the anime or the manga.One may support religiously the one medium while constantly pointing out the weaknesses of the other.That's what always happens and we end up witnessing these squabbles you mentioned.Most importantly you shouldn't let that affect your enjoyment of the show,either manga or anime or both.

agreed people should stop this nonesense like man the YouTube comments section is cancerous when talking about this topic

[zamasu121]

I bet the manga will hit the trifecta(ss ikari,trunks using the mafuba and cutting zamasu in half). I can't wait and see how people defend that

[MyNiggaGoku]

It's been a while since the manga reached its 20th chapter(20 months full of DB,isn't that awesome?)and I would like to ask what was your single favourite moment from this manga so far? (WITHOUT taking the anime into consideration,based solely on the manga).

[Boo Machine]

It's been a while since the manga reached its 20th chapter(20 months full of DB,isn't that awesome?)and I would like to ask what was your single favourite moment from this manga so far? (WITHOUT taking the anime into consideration,based solely on the manga).

The latest chapter. I don't praise the manga often but this chapter was really good. I also love me some of that Goku Black.

[The gr]

It's been a while since the manga reached its 20th chapter(20 months full of DB,isn't that awesome?)and I would like to ask what was your single favourite moment from this manga so far? (WITHOUT taking the anime into consideration,based solely on the manga).

-Goku vs botamo what an awesome battle the same could be applied with Goku vs frost and goku vs hit

-cabba super Saiyan transformation

-piccolo line in chapter 10

-goku black vs trunks in chapter 15

-chapter 14 as a whole

-a lot of awesome lines and speeches in chapter 19

-goku vs beerus round 1 and round 2

-hakai

-chapter 20 is full of awesome scenes like goku black SS rose transformation and zamasu telekinesis trunks solar flare and Mai using that shotgun

-vegeta vs beerus

Champa vs beerus

-trunks ssj2 transformation in chapter 16

-vegeta vs frost

DBS manga is full of great scenes sadly some of the scene I mentioned get overshadowed by the negative backlash like chapter 10 13 and 19

[ekrolo2]

I bet the manga will hit the trifecta(ss ikari,trunks using the mafuba and cutting zamasu in half). I can't wait and see how people defend that

That'll be proof positive Toriyama needs to stop writing this series, even more so than anything else after BoG.

[mfwlegend3]

It's been a while since the manga reached its 20th chapter(20 months full of DB,isn't that awesome?)and I would like to ask what was your single favourite moment from this manga so far? (WITHOUT taking the anime into consideration,based solely on the manga).

Action moments:
1. Beerus vs Champa flashback.
2. Goku and Vegeta sparring session in the RoSaT.
3. Entire fight between Goku and Hit.
4. SS2 Future Trunks vs SS2 Goku training.
5. Future Trunks vs Dabra flashback.
6. Goku and Vegeta against Zamasu and Black (that one page with the four of them facing each other gave me chills).
Feel moments:
1. Future Mai comforting Future Trunks with a compassionate hug after the death of Future Bulma. It was such a touching moment and you could see how much pain Future Trunks was in from even mentioning Future Bulma's fate and Future Mai understood that pain. No exchange of words, just a silent hug to let him know that he wasn't alone.
2. Future Trunks taking enjoyment by watching his younger self have fun by playing video games, something he couldn't do often in his lifetime.
Intense moments:
1. Vegeta declaring to fight against Frost. His expression spoke for itself. He was prepared to beat down the enemy with such a familiar face Vegeta knew all too well.
2. Vegeta motivating Cabba.
3. Goku figuring out and breaking Hit's Time-Leap ability.
4. Black's reveal with the help of gasoline and ignited flames.
5. Black ascending into Rose.
6. Trunks distracting Black long enough for Goku and Vegeta to escape. When he had his faced violently pinned down to the ground and looked over to see the two successfully escape with a smile, it made me remember why I liked Future Trunks so much.
Hilarious moments:
1. Goku being annoyed by Gohan's absence before the U6 tournament.
2. Monaka's introduction.
3. Z-Kart.
4. Kaioshin almost getting Kibito killed by Beerus after wrongfully suspecting him of being the god Goku and co. were talking about.

[Gog]

Post from /a/ regarding the anime and manga. Thoughts?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

*gets triggered*

hey, hey, heh. I feel very, very triggered from this little'post' I'll break it down so that it's easier to read.

1. And why should Black have a regular SSJ form? The form would be useless, heck it's like Freeza and his two middle form. Nobody cares about them. Even the franchise doesn't care about them. So why even bother with it? It would essentially be useless padding. Another thing why the hell are everyone questioning what the fuck Super Saiyan Rose is? You can actually draw simple conclusions to what it is through the show. I'll spell it out to you, the aura, the colour, the fact that he has god ki and he even names it in a similar way to Super Saiyan Blue. I'll give you a second to think-, it's just evil Super Saiyan Blue.

In fact if he technically has Super Saiyan Rose, that would mean that he has Super Saiyan, but he never uses it. Because well why would he? There's no point in actually using the form. It's an inferior form, that would serve no purpose. Especially for Goku Black. Also why the hell would you even want Super Saiyan Goku black, we got that in the manga and nearly everyone hated how it was done.

2. The ducks don't give no fucks. ROF is a move that I enjoyed, even though it was insanely disappointing. And the movie was just basically Akira Toriyama, heck he was even surprised at how much was unchanged from what he originally planned. Just because there's Toriyama on it, does not mean it will be good.

3. Degradation of characters Oh no you fucking don't. You have no right and I will shred you for stating that. Your fucking opinion. Here's the thing Goku was literally acting like Goku in that scene. That was what set Zamasu off, the blatant disrespect that Goku showed to him. I'LL EVEN GET TO THAT LATER ON. Not going all out? You mean what Goku always fucking does and what is actually in character for Goku to do? What's your fucking problem with that? Goku's not superman which is apparently what you think he is? So you're judging his intelligence on the fact that he forgot something? What. The. Fuck, it's a momentary lapse of concentration, that shit happens, to all of us. Also happened again, jeez it's like these characters are people. Also I remember Goku's epic reaction to the death of his son and wife, he totally messed Black Goku and Zamasu- wait a minute that was the anime silly me. However that dammit was pretty hardcore as well.

Also, what the fuck is the problem with the Omni King button? What's your fucking problem with the fucking Omni King button, why don't you like the fact that Goku was literally forced to press the button, as all options had been literally wasted, and his enemy was stronger than ever? And the enemy was going to destroy all worlds? What's your fucking problem with this

Also degradation of characters? You have no fucking idea on the size of the supernova landmine of rage your stepping on. The manga version literally degraded the most important aspect of the arc. Black Goku and Zamasu, but more importantly Black Goku. The whole entire reason why Zamasu becomes evil is. Because. Of. Goku, seeing how dangerous and disrespectful mortals can be Zamasu grew hateful of them. And the Babari dino fucks just further escalated that. But the most important part of that is Goku. Apparently he watched a fucking GodTube(Tm) clip and got all mad about it. He still got the Babari, but the main reason Goku, was not there. So it wasn't as good.

And to the main dessert black Goku, *Gog embraces manga black Goku, and slowly strokes his head, "I'm so, so sorry for what he's done to you" Gog told him. Tears welled out of manga black Goku's eyes, he burrowed his head into Gog's chest, and started sobbing uncontrollably, "it can be fixed" Gog tightened his embrace of manga black Goku, "there's, there's still the anime..." Gog reminded him sadly. Black Goku's sorrow could be heard from everywhere"* Now the main problem with black Goku in this arc is that everything good about him in the anime, was stomped and pissed on by the artist. Basically turning him from a unique, intimidating, enjoyable villain. To generic Dragon ball villain, hey we've done this already. Everything unique about black, the level headiness especially in stressful situations, the masochistic part of him, his incredibly sense of determination which only Freeza himself rivals.

*Poof* gone instead where replaced with some egotistical, speech sprouting, arrogant, losses his head when under pressure, who wears fucking eye liner to make himself seem more savage, and psychopathic than his anime counterpart. Which his anime counterpart achieved without seemingly any effort. In fact i'd even go as far as to consider Goku black anime and Manga to be different characters.

In fact I even wished that the artist would have redesigned Black's appearance, for something more fitting.

[spoiler] This is more like it.[/spoiler]

Extras. I can't fucking believe it, you really expected Dragon Ball to have a clear and consistent power line? Such a thing has never once been a piority for the franchise. Also if you want to get technical than even the super manga fucks up just as bad. I don't give much fucks about Frost, but his character in Super was expanded on more so than in the manga. TL;DR Manga Frost needs to be expanded on.

4. I really couldn't care much about the fact that Black wear's a time ring or not. I'd dare say that Black wearing a time ring is prehaps an important design choice for the anime, especially with the route they chose.

5. I cannot fucking believe this. Perhaps you should relabel this as removing good character motivations, such as Goku defeating. Humiliating Zamasu in battle and showing a complete lack of respect while doing so, also personalizing it was well. And instead replacing it with the fucking pathetic, piss poor, shit stained excuse that Zamasu saw Goku on GodTube, thus making his entire motivation on the level of an angry youtube comment.

6. Making characters useful.... I can't, but I must. How the hell is the manga the exception here? I seem to remember how big of a help Bulma is, how Gowasu is the only reason why there still alive, how Master Roshi gave them the mafuba, how Piccolo had the video. Listing off the manga for having this, means exactly jack shit as the anime has it as well.

7. And? Some scenes in the anime shit all over that beautiful art.

So in conclusion

You're free to have your preferences for which one adaption is better. However with all these points made it is clear without a shadow of a doubt. That what the fuck. I'll say it, your free to have whatever opinion you want, but you will admit that the manga is just painfully mediocre and it isn't healthy of you to consistently stroke it like that.

The anime story while having it's high ups and low downs, isn't the character burning, motivation burning, bland as sandland abomination that the manga is and nearly all your points can be applied to the manga as well. YOU FUCKING ARROGANT, CLOSE MINDED, OBNOXIOUS HYPOCRITE, You cannot say that, you cannot fucking say that the manga is the better adaption case close and basically wave away all points in favor of the anime. YOUR JUST DOING WHAT YOU SAID YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING

[mfwlegend3]

*snip*

I hope you know that I wasn't the one who made that.

[Gog]

*snip*

I hope you know that I wasn't the one who made that.

I'm personally glad that you weren't and I was aware that you didn't. Also what do you think of the super rant?

[mfwlegend3]

Also what do you think of the super rant?

I disagree with most of the points you've made, tbh.

[Gog]

Also what do you think of the super rant?

I disagree with most of the points you've made, tbh.

Don't worry I was just basically venting, my rage had just hit critical mass.