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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu May 02, 2013 1:26 pm

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FortuneSSJ wrote:1 - I Love GT and consider it cannon.
2 - Kuririn is not useless and is too strong as a earthling
3 - I love Bills and Super Saiyan God simple design
Not trying to disregard your opinion. But the fans don't decide what's cannon or not lol.
Firstly, it's spelled canon. A cannon is used to shoot things.
Secondly, Dragonball doesn't have a set canon. A fan can consider whatever he wants to be canon.
Fixed the first part and you're wrong in the last one. Like any other anime, everything in the manga for default is canon. Though the other things: OVAS, Movies, GT , etc like you said is up to any fan if he/she wants to fit that in the storyline or not. Some fans can even consider Dragon ball MultiVerse/Absalon canon if they want :P
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu May 02, 2013 1:39 pm

I would't even go that far. The manga has it's own contradictions, and if I feel that one of the other mediums is better, I'll choose it over the manga (not for debates and discussion, but for my own personal canon.) For example, the Trunks special. I felt that they anime version was executed much better, and as far as I'm concerned, that's how the story went.
Dragonball isn't like Star Wars, where you have various levels of canon dictated by a set of rules and guidelines. You pretty much take what you want, and if you can make it logically fit, then awesome. You have your own personal canon. Toryama never said his manga is the end-all be-all of Dragonball lore, so why should we take it that way?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu May 02, 2013 1:47 pm

I already heard that there's some differences between Trunks special OVA and the manga version but to tell you the truth still didnt read it, so I won't debate this. But if there's really differences and I think the anime version is the better, why not accept it?! Its just like BoG now. I aceppted it to be canon even though there's wasnt any manga behind back then. All this time we all thought that the three main villains from DBZ were (not counting with Vegeta): Freeza, Cell and Buu. And now a wild fourth one appeared.

In the end, its up to us, if we want to accept it or not.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu May 02, 2013 1:52 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:I already heard thats some differences between Trunks special OVA and the manga version but to tell you the truth still didnt read it, so I wont debat this. But if there's really differences and I think the anime version is the better, why not accept it?! Its just like BoG now. I aceppted it to be canon even though there's wasnt any manga behind back then. All this time we all thought that the three main villains from DBZ were (not counting with Vegeta): Freeza, Cell and Buu. And now a wild fourth one appeared.

In the end, its up to us, if we want to accept it or not.
I feel like that's what I just said :D
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu May 02, 2013 1:54 pm

hahaha I think we've been saying the same since the beginning, oh well. :D
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu May 02, 2013 5:49 pm

I have the same opinion. There is no official canon, so everyone can have their own.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bussani » Fri May 03, 2013 1:33 am

Even "the manga is canon by default" isn't a proper rule, really. It is something that almost everyone can agree on, however.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Fri May 03, 2013 7:30 am

I guess this is unpopular since most people seem to either like Nozawa as Goku or flat-out hate her. I personally love her voice for general speaking, fight noises and attack yelling. But for some reason I'm not such a big fan of her when she just yells, particularly when Goku's in pain. It's no where near at the point where I can't watch the Japanese version, because that's how I usually watch the show these days, it just makes me wince slightly. I mean, screams of pain aren't exactly meant to be pleasant on the ears but, y'know.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Storm » Fri May 03, 2013 12:17 pm

I'm the same way. Nozawa's as talented as they come, but I still can't get used to her battle sounds, screaming, grunts, groans, any of that. It fit better when she was kid Goku (which is probably her best work, in my opinion), not to mention it hasn't gotten any better with her age.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri May 03, 2013 1:38 pm

I really enjoy most of the Buu Arc, but I despise Goten, Trunks, and Gotenks. Arrogant little brats. Zero discipline with planet busting power, and no one except Piccolo ever tries to keep them under control.
Also, I see Pure Buu as kind of an evil counterpart to Gotenks: Dumb, crazy strong, and way more interesting when he keeps his mouth shut.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri May 03, 2013 3:18 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaU7iBmDO8Y

Vegeta vs Rikum is my favorite Fight out of the whole series

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Storm » Fri May 03, 2013 4:23 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I really enjoy most of the Buu Arc, but I despise Goten, Trunks, and Gotenks. Arrogant little brats. Zero discipline with planet busting power, and no one except Piccolo ever tries to keep them under control.
I like the kids (and their fusion) but I don't think they carry a story very well, so I agree in that sense. Certainly not as much as someone like Goku, Gohan, Vegeta or Piccolo. There's no real depth to their characterization. Gotenks is an amusing throwback to comical nature of Dragon Ball, but in the narrative is somewhat frustrating and repetitive.
TheGmGoken wrote:Vegeta vs Rikum is my favorite Fight out of the whole series
Is that a particularly unpopular opinion? A lot of people I talk to really enjoy that one, particularly its animation.

Anyway, some of mine:

-I love everything about the Saiyaman section of the Buu saga, even the anime filler.
-Even though my initial sentiment to the epilogue of the series was that it was unsatisfying, I've since warmed up to it.
-I love both Goku and Gohan for different reasons and think people try too hard to force Gohan into something he's not in order to criticize his character development.
-I really enjoy the pre-21st Budokai section of Dragon Ball, despite its complete disconnect with the rest of the series. I find its irreverence charming.
-The only real canon is the printed manga, and fans trying to make up their own feels like saying they own the right to control the series as they see fit.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri May 03, 2013 5:12 pm

Storm wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Vegeta vs Rikum is my favorite Fight out of the whole series
Is that a particularly unpopular opinion? A lot of people I talk to really enjoy that one, particularly its animation.

Anyway, some of mine:

-I love everything about the Saiyaman section of the Buu saga, even the anime filler.
-Even though my initial sentiment to the epilogue of the series was that was unsatisfying, I've since warmed up to it.
-I love both Goku and Gohan for different reasons and think people try too hard to force Gohan into something he's not in order to criticize his character development.
-I really enjoy the pre-21st Budokai section of Dragon Ball, despite its complete disconnect with the rest of the series. I find its irreverence charming.
-The only real canon is the printed manga, and fans trying to make up their own feels like saying they own the right to control the series as they see fit.
Well not counting Battle of Gods since that will most likely not have a manga version. But yes I think Vegeta vs Rikum being the best fight in the WHOLE dragonball franchise is unpopular. Most people would Say Goku vs Vegeta or some other major fight. Not a semi Major fight.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by dbzfan7 » Fri May 03, 2013 5:26 pm

Storm wrote:I'm the same way. Nozawa's as talented as they come, but I still can't get used to her battle sounds, screaming, grunts, groans, any of that. It fit better when she was kid Goku (which is probably her best work, in my opinion), not to mention it hasn't gotten any better with her age.
I agree. I consider Nozawa the best Goku, but sometimes I can't stand her battle sounds, screaming, grunts, and groans. Its worse when I hear Bardock and Gohan sound similar which really puts me off.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri May 03, 2013 5:52 pm

Storm wrote:I'm the same way. Nozawa's as talented as they come, but I still can't get used to her battle sounds, screaming, grunts, groans, any of that. It fit better when she was kid Goku (which is probably her best work, in my opinion), not to mention it hasn't gotten any better with her age.
Something similar happened with the Nanoha series, in the first two seasons the protagonist is like 8 years old and her voice actress fits her perfectly, but in the third season she's like 19 or so and has the exact same voice, so it's really incongruent.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri May 03, 2013 8:52 pm

I think Chiaotzu surpassed Yamcha by the Buu Saga.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri May 03, 2013 8:55 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I think Chiaotzu surpassed Yamcha by the Buu Saga.
That makes sense. If he kept training, while Yamcha stopped during the 7 year gap there's no reason why he wouldn't.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri May 03, 2013 9:26 pm

Yeah, but for some reason everyone likes to paint him as the weakest of the four strongest humans. By the Buu Saga, that position is definitely Yamcha's. Also, Chiaotzu stayed on King Kai's planet for longer, another opportunity for him to thin out the gap between him and Yamcha.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri May 03, 2013 9:44 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Yeah, but for some reason everyone likes to paint him as the weakest of the four strongest humans. By the Buu Saga, that position is definitely Yamcha's. Also, Chiaotzu stayed on King Kai's planet for longer, another opportunity for him to thin out the gap between him and Yamcha.
Well, I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't stronger during the Cell Games, since he didn't bother showing up, but I see no problem with him getting stronger during the 7 years with Tien.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saiga » Fri May 03, 2013 9:46 pm

The gap between Yamcha and Chaozu was already quite large, so it's entirely possible that he was still ahead by the time the Boo arc rolled around.
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