"Jaco the Galactic Patrolman" discussion (incl. "DB Minus")

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm happy that it is seeing release outside Japan, but I feel like we're still not going to get it in English (despite already technically having Sachie).

[Gyt Kaliba]

Most likely not, but I'm going to keep my fingers crossed. I already have everything Katsura has had released here in the States, and all I lack of Toriyama's is the rest of Dr. Slump - so I could really go for this thing getting released here.

[medama_oyaji]

Couple pieces of Jaco news!



Jaco Figures on the way! http://db30th.com/news/2015020901.html

And ANN reviewed Jaco: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/ ... /gn/.84190

EDIT: Oh yeah, Chris Sims recommended Jaco recently as well! http://comicsalliance.com/akira-toriyam ... an-review/ It's nice to see the book getting some attention outside of anime/manga circles.

[Luso Saiyan]

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And here I thought the armor of Goku and Bardock from Minus was colored with the regular brown and black.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

There have been a couple different colors for the armor in DB- already if I remember correctly. This is the only one I feel like searching for though (because I knew what I was looking for).



Kinda wish they could have just picked one color scheme and remained consistent, but what is Dragon Ball without inconsistency? =P

[Lord Beerus]

Couple pieces of Jaco news!



Jaco Figures on the way! http://db30th.com/news/2015020901.html

I must acquire those figures.

And ANN reviewed Jaco: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/ ... /gn/.84190

EDIT: Oh yeah, Chris Sims recommended Jaco recently as well! http://comicsalliance.com/akira-toriyam ... an-review/ It's nice to see the book getting some attention outside of anime/manga circles.

Not surprised Jaco The Galactic Patrolmen is getting such positive reviews. Irregardless of how I feel about Dragon Ball Minus, Jaco on it's own is a really good manga, and both reviewers pointed out, it felt like it should have lasted longer. Maybe another two or three volumes, but Toriyama is just too old for that kind of demand.

[Doctor.]

Am I the only one that felt that Jaco, even though it was a fun read, was considerably inferior to some of Toriyama's other short works like Cowa and Neko Majin (or even Kintoki)? It's better than Kajika and Sandland but eh, he could have done better.

I also don't know if this has been pointed out yet, but Merulusa from Kintoki makes a cameo in chapter 5's title page.

[FortuneSSJ]

Jaco deserves the love. I hate how It was completely ignored online when It was being released in japan.
DB Minus, in other hand, is bad. Mainly because it contradicts a some things we knew about Dragon Ball. (Bardock character, Goku's growth and how he was sent to earth).

Superman readers say the story became even more like Superman origins. I don't care about Sup, but seems like its truth and that's just another reason for me to dislike it.

Anyway, even though I liked Jaco I would rather see more Kintoki. That yes, was an awesome one-shot.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Is that really worth knocking off extra, metaphorical points though? You want to criticize Toriyama for contradicting himself? Go ahead, but for contradicting Toei? I don't see the point. Sure, he liked the Bardock TV Special and it was better than what we got from him as his interpretation of the events for the manga, but it's entirely in his right as the original author. Yeah, it would have been nice if he had just built onto it instead, but the man just has his own vision of the series and that's what he sticks to. I can't blame him for that.

Even if you're upset that he changed things that had been long since accepted as the version of events that transpired though, I still feel like criticisms should be directed more at DB- itself and not the fact that the events have been changed. Bash it for the fact that there's no depth to the story and it's an obviously a quick cash-in instead of Toriyama's Bardock not being Toei's Bardock. (This is the the kind of stuff we should be used to already, as the anime often characterizes the characters differently anyway; including Goku's more superhero attitude in some of the filler, Movies, etc.)

[Gaffer Tape]

I don't mind it for contradicting Toei. I expected it to. And I don't hold that against it. I just think it's bad all on its own. The fact that it contradicts something isn't why I don't like it, but the fact that it contradicts something a hell of a lot better just adds salt to the wound.

On the topic of the figures, while they all look really cool, I am a bit disappointed that these aren't really Jaco figures at all. They're Dragon Ball figures, and most of them are from the abysmal Minus. I'd much rather see a Jaco figure set include figures of characters who were actually important in Jaco! You know, characters who didn't just have cameo appearances? Like Omori and Tights, maybe?

[dbzfan7]

I don't mind it for contradicting Toei. I expected it to. And I don't hold that against it. I just think it's bad all on its own. The fact that it contradicts something isn't why I don't like it, but the fact that it contradicts something a hell of a lot better just adds salt to the wound.

I really wanna see a Dragon Ball Minus Dissected from you, beyond your original points made here.

[Saiga]

I am also in the camp that has no problem with Toriyama contradicted something he didn't write to give his own version, but it feels like he didn't give his own version at all.

Minus is so barebones I feel maybe it should have been made consistent with the original special just so Toriyama can piggyback off the work Toei already did characterizing Bardock and portraying the event of Vegeta's destruction. That still would've been lazy, but maybe it'd be better to not be introduced to a new version of Bardock and know fuck all about him compared to the one given a much better exploration by Toei.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It was just FortuneSSJ phrasing it as if DB- is bad is because those changes were made in the first place that lead to me even making my post in the first place. I don't see any issue with disliking the new versions of the material for what was done with it (or lack of what was done with it). That's part of judging it on its own merits.

[Luso Saiyan]

I would be lying if I said that the fact that Toriyama holding the Bardock special in high regard didn't affect my opinion about Minus, but it's a minor detail that I won't hold against him. I also won't hold against him the expectation I had about it. I thought it would portray the last moments of Bardock (and his family) before Freeza destroyed the planet. Instead we got what happened one month before, which I'd say is very anti-climatic.

Yeah, that's how I would define the whole chapter: anti-climatic.

[medama_oyaji]

I actually didn't like Kintoki very much. Seemed kind of generic to me. Maybe the fact that it didn't have much of a conclusion and seemed to point to a longer series that doesn't exist is the biggest strike against it. If it had gone on for a volume or more, maybe Toriyama could have turned it into something more interesting to me, but I was pretty disappointed that he didn't just go for a self-contained short story.

Neko Majin is sort of its own thing, as it's a collection of short works that tie together, so it's hard to compare to Jaco, but I agree that Cowa! is better than Jaco. I think Cowa! is probably the best short work Toriyama created. I'd say Jaco and Sandland are basically on par with each other, and I like them both. It saddens me that Viz hasn't brought more of his short works out, but I'm not surprised that Kajika never made it, because I think it's probably the weakest of the bunch. It has some nice things going for it, but like Kintoki it feels a little more generic to me. That said, I'd be incredibly happy if it were to finally be published in English, and I'd definitely buy it

[FortuneSSJ]

It was just FortuneSSJ phrasing it as if DB- is bad is because those changes were made in the first place that lead to me even making my post in the first place. I don't see any issue with disliking the new versions of the material for what was done with it (or lack of what was done with it). That's part of judging it on its own merits.

I rather Toriyama move forward that change things already done perfect in the past. Even if it wasn't done by him. Just like Future Trunks special, Bardock special is perfect for me. Wouldn't change anything (besides a Raditz cameo). Sure he, as the creator, was the right to do evertyhing he wants but that doesn't matter i have to like it.

Like most people, I grew up knowing Bardock Special was what really happened. Change that now and tell his own vision, after all this years is pointless to me. Being the creator or not.
I support Toriyama to continue doing these movies, because he's moving forward. But whenever he does a bad move, I will be the first one the point my finger to it.

There's barey anything good in DB Minus compared to Bardock Special. But compare a chapter to a OVA is unfair because the size differences. That's why I don't go that way.
But the little Toriyama did, I don't like it.

I respect him but I still know what I don't want.

[ScholarGohan]

Jaco will be released soon in South Korea! (At the end of February)

https://twitter.com/seoul_jump/status/5 ... 2745583616
https://twitter.com/seoul_jump/status/5 ... 8810562560

[sangofe]

So I just read DB Minus... That was like reading a really bad fan creation!

[Luso Saiyan]

Even if it wasn't done by him, Just like Future Trunks special,

The Trunks special is based on the manga.

[FortuneSSJ]

Even if it wasn't done by him, Just like Future Trunks special,

The Trunks special is based on the manga.

Still different in some things. For example: Trunks becomes a ssj after Gohan's death in the special. In the manga, he already was a ssj.
I rather the special version, that what I was talking about.