Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread
That was after BOG, but afterwards Goku only seems to fight in his base and SSjGSSj form now. Goku didn't go SSj so far in Super after Beerus and during his fight with Uub. So I think it's safe to assume that Goku is done with normal SSj forms now.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread
After bog? i remembered i saw him fighting in bog straight after the time limit of ssg was over against beerus.Hellspawn28 wrote:That was after BOG, but afterwards Goku only seems to fight in his base and SSjGSSj form now. Goku didn't go SSj so far in Super after Beerus and during his fight with Uub. So I think it's safe to assume that Goku is done with normal SSj forms now.
I don't think so.
I think goku just has absorbed the ssg blue or by being normal ssj it will be more efficient after some time and training
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This one actually makes sense to me. We saw Goku's Super Saiyan power increase dramatically after absorbing the god power, and that's Goku's normal ki. Then Goku witnesses Frieza surpass God ki with normal ki. So who's to say Toriyama's comment about regular Super Saiyan being the best form to fight in wasn't literal? It would make sense why neither Goku, Vegeta, nor Gohan go SSJ2 in GT. I would theorize that all of the Super Saiyans had enhanced their Super Saiyan forms by doing the Super Saiyan God ritual by that time.Hellspawn28 wrote:
2. They turn into normal SSj in GT. I think once they got their god powers, they can only go SSjGSSj now. Goku is strong enough in his base form that he no longer needs to go SSj and beyond. Also Toriyama said that Goku does not need to go SSj2 and SSj3 now. Yet in GT, Goku still goes beyond SSj.
I'll give you that Goku does go SSJ3, however he was desperate for power to defeat Baby, and Baby commented that Goku didn't get any stronger by going SSJ3, and the form is abandoned for SSJ & SSJ4.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread
SSG = ssj 1 in super but with god ki the evidence was that goku became ssj after losing ssg and not base state. So SSBlue mostly super saiyan 2 with god ki.Also Toriyama said that Goku does not need to go SSj2 and SSj3 now. Yet in GT, Goku still goes beyond SSj.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread
If SSJG = SSJ1 now then where does base Goku's power fit into it?
Surely SSJ1 isn't still 50x base?
Surely SSJ1 isn't still 50x base?
Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread
Power level number is only mere speculation. You can believe it as long as it's not contradict the reality but you never can consider or treat it as fact in db universe.Bullza wrote:If SSJG = SSJ1 now then where does base Goku's power fit into it?
Surely SSJ1 isn't still 50x base?
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread
In ROF, the fight between goku and freeza. The first round, was Goku in his base or was het super saiyan god?
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He fought Final Form Freeza in his base, and then they both transformed into Super Saiyan Blue & Golden Form respectively. He never used Super Saiyan God in FnF.Pannaliciour wrote:In ROF, the fight between goku and freeza. The first round, was Goku in his base or was het super saiyan god?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Goku did use the power of a Super Saiyan God to fight Freeza though in his base form.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He fought Final Form Freeza in his base, and then they both transformed into Super Saiyan Blue & Golden Form respectively. He never used Super Saiyan God in FnF.Pannaliciour wrote:In ROF, the fight between goku and freeza. The first round, was Goku in his base or was het super saiyan god?
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Haha what is it now? Did he or did he not use the power of a god in base? Can you back up your claim please with a source?Lord Beerus wrote:Goku did use the power of a Super Saiyan God to fight Freeza though in his base form.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He fought Final Form Freeza in his base, and then they both transformed into Super Saiyan Blue & Golden Form respectively. He never used Super Saiyan God in FnF.Pannaliciour wrote:In ROF, the fight between goku and freeza. The first round, was Goku in his base or was het super saiyan god?
Because neither the anime or manga claimed that he was using god powers in his base against freeza. Goku simple sad he didn't need to go ssj against freeza's final form.
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He was in base, but with the power of Super Saiyan God. The power of Super Saiyan God is now his base power.Pannaliciour wrote:Haha what is it now? Did he or did he not use the power of a god in base? Can you back up your claim please with a source?
Because neither the anime or manga claimed that he was using god powers in his base against freeza. Goku simple sad he didn't need to go ssj against freeza's final form.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread
I don't see why not.Bullza wrote:If SSJG = SSJ1 now then where does base Goku's power fit into it?
Surely SSJ1 isn't still 50x base?
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If base Goku got 50 times weaker against Beerus when he reverted from God back to base, he wouldn't have been able to survive & dodge his attacks, or land a hit on him. Beerus even said that his power decrease was insignificant.Zombie wrote:I don't see why not.Bullza wrote:If SSJG = SSJ1 now then where does base Goku's power fit into it?
Surely SSJ1 isn't still 50x base?
Base Goku is slightly weaker than SSG (from BoG), SS Goku is exactly as strong as SSG (from Super anime), and SSB Goku is stronger than SSG (from Super manga).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread
BoG is irrelevant now. Goku never fought Beerus in base.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:If base Goku got 50 times weaker against Beerus when he reverted from God back to base, he wouldn't have been able to survive & dodge his attacks, or land a hit on him. Beerus even said that his power decrease was insignificant.Zombie wrote:I don't see why not.Bullza wrote:If SSJG = SSJ1 now then where does base Goku's power fit into it?
Surely SSJ1 isn't still 50x base?
Base Goku is slightly weaker than SSG (from BoG), SS Goku is exactly as strong as SSG (from Super anime), and SSB Goku is stronger than SSG (from Super manga).
I see no reason to not follow the established SSJ multiplier.
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Why would it be irrelevant? It's like saying that the manga is irrelevant because of the DB/Z anime.Zombie wrote:BoG is irrelevant now. Goku never fought Beerus in base.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread
Because it's not canon anymore.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why would it be irrelevant? It's like saying that the manga is irrelevant because of the DB/Z anime.Zombie wrote:BoG is irrelevant now. Goku never fought Beerus in base.
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Says who?Zombie wrote:Because it's not canon anymore.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why would it be irrelevant? It's like saying that the manga is irrelevant because of the DB/Z anime.Zombie wrote:BoG is irrelevant now. Goku never fought Beerus in base.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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If any thing's not canon it's Super.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread
Goku didn't go SSj when fighting Freeza in his 4th form in ROF and fighting with Uub. I think normal SSj is pretty much done for good as for now.GTX wrote:After bog? i remembered i saw him fighting in bog straight after the time limit of ssg was over against beerus.Hellspawn28 wrote:That was after BOG, but afterwards Goku only seems to fight in his base and SSjGSSj form now. Goku didn't go SSj so far in Super after Beerus and during his fight with Uub. So I think it's safe to assume that Goku is done with normal SSj forms now.
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So I'm very curious on how they're gonna go about all this but is Vegeta now as strong as Goku or something?
In Resurrection F they were about equal, it never really explained why but we assumed it's because Vegeta went through the same ritual as Goku but that doesn't actually look to be the case here.
In the preview for Episode 18 Goku says Vegeta has really grown strong now and is like a different person. So are we to believe that Vegeta's 6 months of training with Whis made him as strong as Goku?
In Resurrection F they were about equal, it never really explained why but we assumed it's because Vegeta went through the same ritual as Goku but that doesn't actually look to be the case here.
In the preview for Episode 18 Goku says Vegeta has really grown strong now and is like a different person. So are we to believe that Vegeta's 6 months of training with Whis made him as strong as Goku?