The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:59 pm

Noah wrote:Like how much?
Depends on how long he trains.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Noah » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:12 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Depends on how long he trains.
Well, as I said:
...Would he improve a lot if he had did the same as Vegeta?
Not only implying his training method, but the same period (3 years)

Would he be stronger than his father or even strong enough to take one android by himself?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:17 pm

Noah wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Depends on how long he trains.
Well, as I said:
...Would he improve a lot if he had did the same as Vegeta?
Not only implying his training method, but the same period (3 years)

Would he be stronger than his father or even strong enough to take one android by himself?
He'd wreck the future androids and be about even with present 17.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:05 pm

Here's one....

What if Mr. Satan didn't take credit for beating Cell?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:18 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:Here's one....

What if Mr. Satan didn't take credit for beating Cell?
People would scour the world looking for the blonde kid.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:33 pm

Another what-if:

What if Vegeta went after Android 20 instead of Android 19, and thus killed Gero?

Does 19 have the programming to activate 17 and 18 on his own?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:00 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:Another what-if:

What if Vegeta went after Android 20 instead of Android 19, and thus killed Gero?

Does 19 have the programming to activate 17 and 18 on his own?
He might, but Piccolo or Super Saiyan Vegeta would have killed him before he had the chance.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:04 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:Another what-if:

What if Vegeta went after Android 20 instead of Android 19, and thus killed Gero?

Does 19 have the programming to activate 17 and 18 on his own?
Things go one of two ways:

Scenario A - 19 has no backup programming to respond to Gero being killed and thus is defeated by either Vegeta and/or Piccolo, ending the Android threat right then and there. Future Trunks might still find Gero's lab to shut down 17 and 18 in his timeline but he'd be killed by Cell without any training in the ROSAT. If Trunks finds no plans to take out 17 and 18, he could stay behind and train anyway thus possibly attaining enough power to kill the future Androids, Cell included.

The main timeline Goku would heal eventually and probably fight Vegeta and beat him after a hard fought victory. Vegeta would never get softened up by Future Trunks but could eventually if he stuck around with Bulma and baby Trunks. Gohan would never become a Super Saiyan, Goku wouldn't die to Cell and the cast would probably get murdered once Babidi showed up due to being massively weaker than they are in the main series.

Scenario B - 19 would probably run away and activate 17, 18 and the arc proceeds majoritively how it happened as we know it.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:11 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:When and where?
At any point in the movie or arc. Presumably later on, though.
1) If on King Kai's Planet, SSJ3 Goku would have had only been able to defeat Beerus with either an Instant Spirit Bomb or an Instant Dragon Fist.

2) But even as a Super Saiyan God, Goku would have only been able to win if he were to have somehow gathered the Genki of an entire Universe for an Instant Spirit Bomb or to have used a combo of both the Instant Transmission and the Dragon Fist.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:20 pm

Didn't Babidi come to Earth because he detected high power levels? If they don't get strong enough, Babidi won't come.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:35 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:Didn't Babidi come to Earth because he detected high power levels? If they don't get strong enough, Babidi won't come.
But the threats following them would.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:38 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Didn't Babidi come to Earth because he detected high power levels? If they don't get strong enough, Babidi won't come.
But the threats following them would.
Well, yeah.

There's Broly, Lychee, Janemba, and Hirudegarn to take care of.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Noah » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:22 pm

What if Gohan became a Super Saiyan God instead of Goku? Would he be stronger than his father considering he already pretty strong in base?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:55 pm

Noah wrote:What if Gohan became a Super Saiyan God instead of Goku? Would he be stronger than his father considering he already pretty strong in base?
By the time Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods has taken place, Goku had already surpassed Mystic Gohan. But considering the fact how none of us know as of yet exactly how powerful one with Saiyan blood can truly become with the Super Saiyan God ritual, I would say that Super Saiyan God Gohan would have done only slightly better or worse than Super Saiyan God Goku did against Hakaishin Beerus.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Noah » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:57 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:By the time Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods has taken place, Goku had already surpassed Mystic Gohan. But considering the fact how none of us know as of yet exactly how powerful one with Saiyan blood can truly become with the Super Saiyan God ritual, I would say that Super Saiyan God Gohan would have done only slightly better or worse than Super Saiyan God Goku did against Hakaishin Beerus.
Er... There's no statement about that, mate.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:18 pm

Noah wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:By the time Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods has taken place, Goku had already surpassed Mystic Gohan. But considering the fact how none of us know as of yet exactly how powerful one with Saiyan blood can truly become with the Super Saiyan God ritual, I would say that Super Saiyan God Gohan would have done only slightly better or worse than Super Saiyan God Goku did against Hakaishin Beerus.
Er... There's no statement about that, mate.
After fighting Goku Beerus says he has great potential whereas he mostly ignores Gohan and treats him like a joke.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:31 pm

Here's a what-if...

What if Grandpa Gohan wasn't killed by Great Ape Goku?

That is, Gohan doesn't get stepped on.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:33 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:Here's a what-if...

What if Grandpa Gohan wasn't killed by Great Ape Goku?

That is, Gohan doesn't get stepped on.
He doesn't show up at Fortune Teller Baba's tournament and he also makes a few cameo appearances every now and then.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:34 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Here's a what-if...

What if Grandpa Gohan wasn't killed by Great Ape Goku?

That is, Gohan doesn't get stepped on.
He doesn't show up at Fortune Teller Baba's tournament and he also makes a few cameo appearances every now and then.
Does the series as a whole stay mostly the same?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:35 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Here's a what-if...

What if Grandpa Gohan wasn't killed by Great Ape Goku?

That is, Gohan doesn't get stepped on.
He doesn't show up at Fortune Teller Baba's tournament and he also makes a few cameo appearances every now and then.
Does the series as a whole stay mostly the same?
Yep, not much changes.

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