"Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by Alee9977 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:39 pm

kinisking wrote:
Wezenheim wrote:One thing I've noticed lately is the improvement of the backgrounds.

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Those are just two examples, but in general I feel as though they are much more pleasant to look at. Episode 50 in particular had a lot of good ones, especially in the Goku/Black fight. The background department has been doing pretty good as of late. I might have to start keeping track of the art directors for episodes!
I actually feel like the backgrounds have always been good in super. Just wish the characters were better. It's the exact opposite of the yo son goku special. There, the backgrounds were a weak point but they has the characters right.
Well, now we are having better fights, so it's a matter of time until we got better characters.
I don't know what happened in this year but, for me, comparing the first two arcs and the most recent arcs the animation got better, maybe the schedules got better or the animators did?? I don't know which but I hope they keep going in this way, they are getting better little by little, so maybe, in episode 200(if Super reachs that number of episodes) we can have episodes with a really good quality, or that's what I want to believe...

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by Kagari » Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:14 pm

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kinisking wrote:I actually feel like the backgrounds have always been good in super. Just wish the characters were better. It's the exact opposite of the yo son goku special. There, the backgrounds were a weak point but they has the characters right.
They've been pretty good overall, but I've been noticing them more as of late. I don't know if the locations themselves are more interesting or if the light revisions to the color palette is just easier on the eyes, but I swear they've been a little better. Maybe not, I dunno! I actually really like the backgrounds of the Yo! Son Goku & Friends special.
I feel like the backgrounds are one of the few consistent things Super has had going for it it across the board. Even some of the really poor looking episodes had great BGs.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by kinisking » Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:17 pm

Alee9977 wrote:
kinisking wrote:
Wezenheim wrote:One thing I've noticed lately is the improvement of the backgrounds.

[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

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Those are just two examples, but in general I feel as though they are much more pleasant to look at. Episode 50 in particular had a lot of good ones, especially in the Goku/Black fight. The background department has been doing pretty good as of late. I might have to start keeping track of the art directors for episodes!
I actually feel like the backgrounds have always been good in super. Just wish the characters were better. It's the exact opposite of the yo son goku special. There, the backgrounds were a weak point but they has the characters right.
Well, now we are having better fights, so it's a matter of time until we got better characters.
I don't know what happened in this year but, for me, comparing the first two arcs and the most recent arcs the animation got better, maybe the schedules got better or the animators did?? I don't know which but I hope they keep going in this way, they are getting better little by little, so maybe, in episode 200(if Super reachs that number of episodes) we can have episodes with a really good quality, or that's what I want to believe...
Hopefully man! And it seems that the schedule has gotten better. They've added more supervisors since the beginning and other adjustments. It's not where I want to it to be yet though. One thing I miss from dbz is that whenever the saiyans transformed they had this effect where everything turns black besides for gold outlines. This only happens for a split second. They also did it with hard attacks too. Everything black besides for white outline. It really added impact. I don't know if anyone else knows what I'm talking about but I don't feel like finding examples using my phone rn.
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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by Wezenheim » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:30 pm

Kagari wrote:
Wezenheim wrote:
kinisking wrote:I actually feel like the backgrounds have always been good in super. Just wish the characters were better. It's the exact opposite of the yo son goku special. There, the backgrounds were a weak point but they has the characters right.
They've been pretty good overall, but I've been noticing them more as of late. I don't know if the locations themselves are more interesting or if the light revisions to the color palette is just easier on the eyes, but I swear they've been a little better. Maybe not, I dunno! I actually really like the backgrounds of the Yo! Son Goku & Friends special.
I feel like the backgrounds are one of the few consistent things Super has had going for it it across the board. Even some of the really poor looking episodes had great BGs.
I think it might just be me not caring a ton for most of the backgrounds in the Champa arc. Earth in earlier episodes does have a lot of good ones.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by Alee9977 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:35 pm

kinisking wrote:
Alee9977 wrote:
kinisking wrote: I actually feel like the backgrounds have always been good in super. Just wish the characters were better. It's the exact opposite of the yo son goku special. There, the backgrounds were a weak point but they has the characters right.
Well, now we are having better fights, so it's a matter of time until we got better characters.
I don't know what happened in this year but, for me, comparing the first two arcs and the most recent arcs the animation got better, maybe the schedules got better or the animators did?? I don't know which but I hope they keep going in this way, they are getting better little by little, so maybe, in episode 200(if Super reachs that number of episodes) we can have episodes with a really good quality, or that's what I want to believe...
Hopefully man! And it seems that the schedule has gotten better. They've added more supervisors since the beginning and other adjustments. It's not where I want to it to be yet though. One thing I miss from dbz is that whenever the saiyans transformed they had this effect where everything turns black besides for gold outlines. This only happens for a split second. They also did it with hard attacks too. Everything black besides for white outline. It really added impact. I don't know if anyone else knows what I'm talking about but I don't feel like finding examples using my phone rn.
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Are you talking about those flashes they use when anybody transforms? Yeah I miss that and the old sound effects, also the way they used to make any character go down from a transformation like If it was turning off or something, like when Vegeta went down from SSB a few episodes ago. But it's a shame that those days are over...

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Post by alakazam^ » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:24 pm

Personally, I really liked the Oozaru roar they had when shouting and the echoes they had that would sometimes merge with their ki attacks.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by Alee9977 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:51 pm

alakazam^ wrote:Personally, I really liked the Oozaru roar they had when shouting and the echoes they had that would sometimes merge with their ki attacks.
They still use those, look at Goku's SSB Kaioken x10 transformation, you can hear the ozaru roar. At least they kept that.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by Sodhi » Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:47 am

Staff for #55-57 is as follows
#55
Script: Tomioka Atsuhiro
Episode director: Iwai Takao
Storyboard: Iwai Koji
Animation Supervisor/s: Takamura Kaoru and Seizo Toma

#56
Script: King Ryu
Episode Director/Storyboard: Kohei Hatano
Animation Supervisor/s: Manabe Shuuichiro and Tate Naoki

#57
Script: Yoshitaka Toshio
Episode Director/Storyboard: Ryota Nakamura
Animation Supervisor/s: Karasawa Yuichi and Yukihiro Kitano

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by Khin » Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:10 am

Damn. Not another Goku-heavy episode by Toshio. I absolutely hate how Goku was handled in his episodes lately, particularly episode 53 and 42.

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Post by Mazingerdestro » Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:54 am

Khin wrote:Damn. Not another Goku-heavy episode by Toshio. I absolutely hate how Goku was handled in his episodes lately, particularly episode 53 and 42.
The question is whether they can be on model in these crucial episodes.
Having a "Goku vs Black rematch" episode and bad models would be pretty lame.....


Also we still get the "more than one supervisors", which means that at some point the episode will look completely different.

The black vs Goku battle 1 was especially weird since some parts were well animated and had good models and others looked pretty bad......

I can live with "bad animation days" and "good animation days" but when you give me "half good animation days" then you tease me.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by Draconic » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:02 am

Mazingerdestro wrote:
Khin wrote:Damn. Not another Goku-heavy episode by Toshio. I absolutely hate how Goku was handled in his episodes lately, particularly episode 53 and 42.
The question is whether they can be on model in these crucial episodes.
Having a "Goku vs Black rematch" episode and bad models would be pretty lame.....


Also we still get the "more than one supervisors", which means that at some point the episode will look completely different.

The black vs Goku battle 1 was especially weird since some parts were well animated and had good models and others looked pretty bad......

I can live with "bad animation days" and "good animation days" but when you give me "half good animation days" then you tease me.
Toshio is the guy who writes Goku like a retard, not an animator.
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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by Mazingerdestro » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:58 am

Draconic wrote:
Mazingerdestro wrote:
Khin wrote:Damn. Not another Goku-heavy episode by Toshio. I absolutely hate how Goku was handled in his episodes lately, particularly episode 53 and 42.
The question is whether they can be on model in these crucial episodes.
Having a "Goku vs Black rematch" episode and bad models would be pretty lame.....


Also we still get the "more than one supervisors", which means that at some point the episode will look completely different.

The black vs Goku battle 1 was especially weird since some parts were well animated and had good models and others looked pretty bad......

I can live with "bad animation days" and "good animation days" but when you give me "half good animation days" then you tease me.
Toshio is the guy who writes Goku like a retard, not an animator.
No I wasn't referring to Toshio but to this:
#56
Animation Supervisor/s: Manabe Shuuichiro and Tate Naoki

I understand the "retard" part but for me this is not an important matter since dbs has to be "funny" and "idiotic" enough for the average 10 year old. I know that they think that kids are idiots so....just ignore it

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by Draconic » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:04 am

Oh, I saw you replied to Khin and that confused me. Sorry.
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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Animation Staff Discussion

Post by Sodhi » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:10 am

New staff listings are out for #58-61

#58
Script: Tomioka Atsuhiro
Storyboard: Kaizawa Yukio
Episode Director: Hiroshima Hideki
Animation Supervisor: Yoshitaka Yashima

#59
Script: Fukushima Yukinori
Storyboard/Episode Director: Karasawa Kazuya
Animation Supervisor: Ishikawa Osamu

#60
Script: Tomioka Atsuhiro
Storyboard/Episode Director: Imamura Takahiro
Animation Supervisor: Kinoshita Yui

#61
Script: Tomioka Atsuhiro
Storyboard: Otsuka Ken
Episode Director: Iwai Takao
Animation Supervisor: Shimanuki Masahiro

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:18 am

Whoa. They started having directors do their own storyboards too? That's what Ajay was talking about with GD101 on his video. & 1 animation supervises for 4 episodes in a row? I think that's only happened once(I think) this arc so to get it 4 times in a row. Wow. Schedule must be getting better.

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Post by Psykomatik » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:43 am

Ken Otsuka doing a storyboard? Interesting. Hope he is doing some key animation.

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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:38 am

I'm glad to see Tomioka Atsuhiro, one of the good writers for the Pokémon series, comes back to do more for this arc. Should be a fun ride, I say.
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Post by PMD » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:56 am

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

Is Kinoshita Yui's first time in Dragon Ball Super, right?

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Post by Ajay » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:36 am

PMD wrote:Interesting. Thanks for the info.

Is Kinoshita Yui's first time in Dragon Ball Super, right?
No, they've worked on the series several times in the past, but never on their own. They're usually coupled up with another supervisor.

This may be their first episode or it may be the magazine doing its usual thing of just listing a single supervisor despite there being multiple.
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Post by ArchedThunder » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:13 am

Ajay wrote:
PMD wrote:Interesting. Thanks for the info.

Is Kinoshita Yui's first time in Dragon Ball Super, right?
No, they've worked on the series several times in the past, but never on their own. They're usually coupled up with another supervisor.

This may be their first episode or it may be the magazine doing its usual thing of just listing a single supervisor despite there being multiple.
Is Kinoshita with Wanpack? the last two episodes of Super that he worked on were Wanpack episodes.
If not I'm going to guess he's working with Onishi, that or Ishikawa is... unless Onishi is just gone for some reason.
I wonder if Otsuka is doing animation on the episode that he storyboarded.

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