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RandomGuy96
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:17 pm
Kaboom wrote:Kid Buu wrote:No "Gohan is inept unless he is being babied" jokes either.
Future Gohan is pretty much the only version of him exempt to that rule.
Yeah, he's just inept in general.
Kaioshin Vs. Goku [Cell Games]
I think that they're equals, so Kaioshin's psychic powers and other godly abilities grant him an easy win.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Kakashi » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:36 pm
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Kakashi wrote:Kamiccolo9 wrote:Dragon Ball is a gag manga. Especially the first volume or so. They are all gag characters.
Satan can't survive bullets
And Goku cannot survive being knocked into a mountain by Perfect Cell. We've been through this.
Debunked. This is gag. Goku and Bulma was serious
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by Kakashi » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:41 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:Kaboom wrote:Kid Buu wrote:No "Gohan is inept unless he is being babied" jokes either.
Future Gohan is pretty much the only version of him exempt to that rule.
Yeah, he's just inept in general.
Kaioshin Vs. Goku [Cell Games]
I think that they're equals, so Kaioshin's psychic powers and other godly abilities grant him an easy win.
Cell Games Goku > Kaioshin is a fact
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RandomGuy96
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:12 pm
According to what?
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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RandomGuy96
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:12 pm
According to what?
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by TheGmGoken » Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:16 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:According to what?
His opinion? I really can't explain this is one.
Anime Yamcha(He beat Obliu..aka Hercules rip off) vs Manga Base Cell Arc Goku
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by Kid Buu » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:01 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:According to what?
His opinion? I really can't explain this is one.
Anime Yamcha(He beat Obliu..aka Hercules rip off) vs Manga Base Cell Arc Goku
Oiblu fought on par with Pikkon who one-shot Cell, I give it to Yamcha.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
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by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:28 pm
Kakashi wrote:
Debunked. This is gag. Goku and Bulma was serious
And again, I consider Bulma shooting Goku while he's running around calling her a witch to be a gag. The whole sequence is a gag showing how clueless Goku is.
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by Vice » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:44 pm
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
And again, I consider Bulma shooting Goku while he's running around calling her a witch to be a gag. The whole sequence is a gag showing how clueless Goku is.
No, it's not a gag. It's actually showing how much of a tank Goku is.
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by Kid Buu » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:03 am
Mr. Satan Vs. Chiaotzu
Considering Goku was considering merging with Mr. Satan and not Chiaotzu, is the former stronger?
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
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by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:05 am
Kid Buu wrote:Mr. Satan Vs. Chiaotzu
Considering Goku was considering merging with Mr. Satan and not Chiaotzu, is the former stronger?
Satan ask Chazou the Earth population. Satan got a easy victory with NO GAGS. Just an 3rd grade math degree
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by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:06 am
Vice wrote:Kamiccolo9 wrote:
And again, I consider Bulma shooting Goku while he's running around calling her a witch to be a gag. The whole sequence is a gag showing how clueless Goku is.
No, it's not a gag. It's actually showing how much of a tank Goku is.
I disagree. Goku being shot and surviving is a regular gag scene in early Dragon Ball. And what's more, later on in the manga, after he's had Roshi's training, he can't tank Murasaki's shurikan, takes more damage to a boomerang to the back of the head then a bullet to the front, and, aside from when he's shot by Bulma or Lunch, always either dodges or blocks bullets. If he could tank one as a kid, then surely after his training they wouldn't be a threat at all, right? Yet he doesn't just stroll right through gunfire; he avoids it. Durability feats are all out of whack in the early parts of Dragon Ball, especially the first two volumes due to their much more "gaggy" nature, so I go with the ones that are consistent throughout the story. Those that aren't consistent, I treat as setup for gags. Feel free to disagree, but that's how I see it.
Kid Buu wrote:Mr. Satan Vs. Chiaotzu
Considering Goku was considering merging with Mr. Satan and not Chiaotzu, is the former stronger?
I imagine he just forgot about Chiaotzu. God knows I did.
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by Kid Buu » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:07 am
Damn, now I wish Goku-Chiaotzu Fusion fought Gohan-Buu. Psychic battles Vs. Magic.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
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by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:17 am
Kid Buu wrote:Damn, now I wish Goku-Chiaotzu Fusion fought Gohan-Buu. Psychic battles Vs. Magic.
Chiaotzku has a chance. Buuhan might laugh himself to death.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:23 am
RandomGuy96 wrote:Kid Buu wrote:Damn, now I wish Goku-Chiaotzu Fusion fought Gohan-Buu. Psychic battles Vs. Magic.
Chiaotzku has a chance. Buuhan might laugh himself to death.
Wtf would Goziku even look like?
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by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:25 am
TheGmGoken wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:Kid Buu wrote:Damn, now I wish Goku-Chiaotzu Fusion fought Gohan-Buu. Psychic battles Vs. Magic.
Chiaotzku has a chance. Buuhan might laugh himself to death.
Wtf would Goziku even look like?
This. With a green hat.
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by Ringworm128 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:39 am
Yamcha, Krillin, Tien, Piccolo Chaozu, Gohan and Popo (late Saiyan arc) all at once with a senzu each vs Nappa.
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by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:14 am
ringworm128 wrote:Yamcha, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Piccolo Chaozu, Gohan and Popo (late Saiyan arc) all at once with a senzu each vs Nappa.
Didn't we already see this?
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by KentalSSJ6 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:17 am
SSJ4 GT Goku VS Buuhan.
SSJ4 Z Goku VS Buuhan.
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by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:22 am
KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ4 GT Goku VS Buuhan.
SSJ4 Z Goku VS Buuhan.
Not only do we have a guidebook stating SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto, but Goku calls Super Baby Vegeta the greatest ki he's ever felt. Which means he should be above Buuhan...
SS4 is so overpowered that Goku can probably handle Buuhan effortlessly with it even in the Buu Saga.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
