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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:31 am

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KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ4 GT Goku VS Buuhan.

SSJ4 Z Goku VS Buuhan.
Not only do we have a guidebook stating SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto, but Goku calls Super Baby Vegeta the greatest ki he's ever felt. Which means he should be above Buuhan...

SS4 is so overpowered that Goku can probably handle Buuhan effortlessly with it even in the Buu Saga.

Ehhh...I'm not so sure about SSJ4 Z Goku winning. I mean he flat out says Super Buu is stronger than his SSJ3 and Buuhan has Mystic Gohan, Goten, Trunks, AND Piccolo inside him. I know SSJ4 is a big step up from SSJ3, but I dont see a Z SSJ4 Goku beating Buuhan. GT Goku I can, but not Z.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:34 am

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KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ4 GT Goku VS Buuhan.

SSJ4 Z Goku VS Buuhan.
Not only do we have a guidebook stating SS4 Goku =< Super Vegetto, but Goku calls Super Baby Vegeta the greatest ki he's ever felt. Which means he should be above Buuhan...

SS4 is so overpowered that Goku can probably handle Buuhan effortlessly with it even in the Buu Saga.

Ehhh...I'm not so sure about SSJ4 Z Goku winning. I mean he flat out says Super Buu is stronger than his SSJ3 and Buuhan has Mystic Gohan, Goten, Trunks, AND Piccolo inside him. I know SSJ4 is a big step up from SSJ3, but I dont see a Z SSJ4 Goku beating Buuhan. GT Goku I can, but not Z.
Super Buu can crush SS3 Goku's skull like a grape, and Gohan can crush Super Buu (Piccolo and the kids don't really count for anything here), but that doesn't mean much because the gap between SS4 and SS3 is implied to be absolutely massive, with the way the Baby fight went. Buuhan can be literally dozens of times stronger than SS3 Goku and still fall in finger flicking range for SS4 Goku.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:26 pm

Metal Coola vs. Metal Rildo

Balance power levels. Who wins?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:29 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Metal Coola vs. Metal Rildo

Balance power levels. Who wins?
Tough to say. Coola wins in the numbers department seeing as we saw what may have been hundreds of him. Not to mention every time he regenerates the computer in him registers and corrects the flaw that allowed him to be damaged so basically hes a walking talking personification of "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."

I guess it comes down to whether or not Rildo's metal turning beam can effect Coola in any way.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:09 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:According to what?
SSjin Teen Gohan pulled out the z sword
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:34 pm

Hildegran vs SSjin Gogeta
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:49 pm

Janemba is officially stronger than Hildegarn, and Gogeta spanked Janemba like it weren't no thang. No reason to think he couldn't do the same to Hildegarn.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:54 pm

I find it rather disingenuous to keep throwing that around to support this "Gogeta is a maximum" stuff, when said "official" statement is from an old now defunct website that plainly admitted to using fallacious reasoning. That's like me saying "Well, since kiris are officially equivalent to 50,000 battle power units, Yakon would have a power level of 40,000,000, and SS Goku Buu Saga would have a power level of 150,000,000, so Freeza is 'officially' stronger than the androids, Grade II Vegeta, Semi-Cell, and CG Goku".

Or saying "LSS Broly is officially 1.4 billion while SS Gogeta is officially 2.5 billion, so obviously LSS3 Broly would murder the shit out of SS2 Gogeta, YEZBROLYEXMAXIMUMN".

Anyway, Hirudegarn splatters Gogeta. Then Gogeta transforms into a SS2 and still can't even budge Hirudegarn, getting effortlessly splattered again. If he goes SS3, he might have a chance.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:56 pm

I actually like the novelty of it (same reason I may start using 4500 for Nappa), and I don't really see anything wrong with it.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:00 pm

Kaboom wrote:I actually like the novelty of it (same reason I may start using 4500 for Nappa), and I don't really see anything wrong with it.
It contradicting Goku's performance against both of them, for one. And also basically indirectly saying Goku is stronger than Gohan.

Again, if you want to use it, that's your own business, but I would prefer if you stopped just saying "Janemba is officially stronger", as it comes off as disingenuous, since he's no more "officially stronger" than Hirudegarn than LSS3 Broly is "officially stronger" than SS2 Gogeta, or Freeza is "officially stronger" than the androids. In fact, if anything he has less of a claim for being "officially stronger", since isn't that website now defunct?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:03 pm

Freeza is "officially stronger" than the androids.
Wait what? Who would think that? How is that even an opinion?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:04 pm

I think you're misunderstanding me a little. The reason I make sure to insert the "officially" in there is just so people know the angle I'm taking. It's quicker and more straightforward than saying "Toei once said that Hildegarn was weaker than Janemba and I'm fine with that."
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:07 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Kaboom wrote:I actually like the novelty of it (same reason I may start using 4500 for Nappa), and I don't really see anything wrong with it.
It contradicting Goku's performance against both of them, for one. And also basically indirectly saying Goku is stronger than Gohan.

Again, if you want to use it, that's your own business, but I would prefer if you stopped just saying "Janemba is officially stronger", as it comes off as disingenuous, since he's no more "officially stronger" than Hirudegarn than LSS3 Broly is "officially stronger" than SS2 Gogeta, or Freeza is "officially stronger" than the androids.
I'm with Kaboom on this one, if anything due to Janemba's abilities (if were talking about Super Janemba that it)

Hirudegarn can turn into smoke/mist to dodge attacks. Janemba has the same thing with his portals and more. Janemba can also manipulate physical mass, basically meaning anything he touches can become a weapon, is much smaller than Hirudegarn so its easier for him to out maneuver, Hirudegarn cant speak so Janemba's weakness to insults isnt a issue, and Janemba beat SSJ3 Goku, Hirudegarn did not.

Janemba could also just piss Hirudegarn off to the point where hes too weak to do anything as well. With all of Janemba's abilities I just dont see the big ol kaiju beating him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:09 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
Freeza is "officially stronger" than the androids.
Wait what? Who would think that? How is that even an opinion?
An old magazine had someone ask a "DB Professor" to explain the kiri system. He said that, since SS Goku had a power level of 150,000,000, and the kiri system gave him a rating of 3,000, then 1 kiri = 50,000 BP units. He was basically saying that SS Goku (Buu Saga) = SS Goku (Freeza Saga). Keep in mind, Buu Saga Goku is much stronger than Cell Games Goku, who was stronger than everyone before him (including Grade II Vegeta, Semi-Cell, and the androids) at a mere 50% of is power. So, all of the androids would "officially" be one-shot material to a power level of 75,000,000. Freeza officially has a power level of 120,000,000.

There's also the fact that LSS3 Broly would "officially" be stronger than SS2 Gogeta.
I'm with Kaboom on this one, if anything due to Janemba's abilities (if were talking about Super Janemba that it)

Hirudegarn can turn into smoke/mist to dodge attacks. Janemba has the same thing with his portals and more. Janemba can also manipulate physical mass, basically meaning anything he touches can become a weapon, is much smaller than Hirudegarn so its easier for him to out maneuver, Hirudegarn cant speak so Janemba's weakness to insults isnt a issue, and Janemba beat SSJ3 Goku, Hirudegarn did not.

Janemba could also just piss Hirudegarn off to the point where hes too weak to do anything as well. With all of Janemba's abilities I just dont see the big ol kaiju beating him.
Those abilities really helped him against SS Gogeta, who's much weaker than Hirudegarn, didn't they?

Again, Hirudegarn only lost because Goku used a technique on him that he didn't have while fighting Janemba. It had nothing to do with their respective strengths. Being small and maneuverable doesn't mean anything when your opponent can't even feel your attacks.
I think you're misunderstanding me a little. The reason I make sure to insert the "officially" in there is just so people know the angle I'm taking. It's quicker and more straightforward than saying "Toei once said that Hildegarn was weaker than Janemba and I'm fine with that."
Would you care if someone kept throwing around "LSS3 Broly is officially stronger than SS2 Gogeta" or "Freeza is officially stronger than the androids"? Or "Cooler is officially stronger than Super Perfect Cell"?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:28 pm

I really, REALLY don't see the need to argue about this.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:35 pm

Kaboom wrote:Janemba is officially stronger than Hildegarn, and Gogeta spanked Janemba like it weren't no thang. No reason to think he couldn't do the same to Hildegarn.
No, he is not. This is just a misconception of some stupid website. We have the producer of the movies saying new movie villains are stronger than the last ones so Hildegran > Janenba is stated. Hildegran is implied to be stronger than Gohan-Boo. Evil Boo > Janenba to me
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Post by Kakashi » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:45 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I find it rather disingenuous to keep throwing that around to support this "Gogeta is a maximum" stuff, when said "official" statement is from an old now defunct website that plainly admitted to using fallacious reasoning. That's like me saying "Well, since kiris are officially equivalent to 50,000 battle power units, Yakon would have a power level of 40,000,000, and SS Goku Buu Saga would have a power level of 150,000,000, so Freeza is 'officially' stronger than the androids, Grade II Vegeta, Semi-Cell, and CG Goku".

Or saying "LSS Broly is officially 1.4 billion while SS Gogeta is officially 2.5 billion, so obviously LSS3 Broly would murder the shit out of SS2 Gogeta, YEZBROLYEXMAXIMUMN".

Anyway, Hirudegarn splatters Gogeta. Then Gogeta transforms into a SS2 and still can't even budge Hirudegarn, getting effortlessly splattered again. If he goes SS3, he might have a chance.
SSjin 2 Gogeta would beat Gohan-Boo so Hildegran would lose as well
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:37 pm

Super Saiyan 4 is a x40,000 multiplier for me. Gohan-Boo would be fucked. :P

I have to agree that the Toei statement of Janemba being stronger than Hirudegarn is exactly the same as the DB Professor's explanation of Kili. "Assuming these two variants of Goku are the same strength (which they're not), here's your answer".
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:24 pm

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Kaboom wrote:Janemba is officially stronger than Hildegarn, and Gogeta spanked Janemba like it weren't no thang. No reason to think he couldn't do the same to Hildegarn.
No, he is not. This is just a misconception of some stupid website. We have the producer of the movies saying new movie villains are stronger than the last ones so Hildegran > Janenba is stated. Hildegran is implied to be stronger than Gohan-Boo. Evil Boo > Janenba to me
Janemba was stronger then SSj3 Goku and beat Goku when he was dead. Goku is stronger when he was dead from what I can remember.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:30 pm

XMAS EDITION!

Santa vs Freeza.

Can Freeza beat Santa enough to get on the nice list? Or does Santa get a certain Red Nose Reindeer to shit in Freeza's mouth?

Frosty vs Birsu.

Frosty accidentally spit snow on Beerus pudding

Elfs vs Saibamen

If Saibamen can be grown like plants. Can the Elfs make a toy that creates good Saibamen?

The Grinch vs Gotenks

Who's more naughty?
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