"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[The gr]

There's a line from Black in the manga that also indicates that he needed to face powerful people to power up. "Marvelous. You're at the perfect level to raise me even higher."

Is that meant to imply Black can only get big boosts from strong opponents? Cause if it is, that'd make a lot of sense.

Yup that's seem to be the case probably he's obsessed with battling strong opponent like trunks. But I do wonder did goku black in the anime said that trunks is the key to make him stronger,because is weird that goku black for one year did not kill trunks or Mai

[Lord Beerus]

There's a line from Black in the manga that also indicates that he needed to face powerful people to power up. "Marvelous. You're at the perfect level to raise me even higher."

Is that meant to imply Black can only get big boosts from strong opponents? Cause if it is, that'd make a lot of sense.

Yup that's seem to be the case or probably he's obsessed with battling strong opponent like trunks but I do wonder did goku black in the anime said that trunks is the key to make him stronger

But that still doesn't make sense. Because we see in the Namek arc that it doesn't matter what the gap in strength is between the Saiyan and the opponent. If the Saiyan is battered enough, he can still get a substantial Zenkai from it. And Future Zamasu is at the very least SSJ tier, in both the manga. All that needs to happen is for Future Zamasu to blow a few holes in Goku Black's chest, heal him up, rinse and repeat, and he's ready to go. That seriously would have taken about a few minutes.

[The gr]

Is that meant to imply Black can only get big boosts from strong opponents? Cause if it is, that'd make a lot of sense.

Yup that's seem to be the case or probably he's obsessed with battling strong opponent like trunks but I do wonder did goku black in the anime said that trunks is the key to make him stronger

But that still doesn't make sense. Because we see in the Namek arc that it doesn't matter what the gap in strength is between the Saiyan and the opponent. If the Saiyan is battered enough, he can still get a substantial Zenkai from it. And Future Zamasu is at the very least SSJ tier, in both the manga. All tha needs to happen is for Future Zamasu to blow a few holes in Goku Black's chest, heal him up, rinse and repeat, and he's ready to go. That seriously would have taken about a few minutes.

Hmm maybe he need trunks to test his full power and what he's capable off but let's wait for a explanation for this mess

[buutenks]

Saw a few pages of chapter 20, how did Trunks hurt ssj rose Black? Did he go Super Trunks mode?

Talking about last pages, where Trunks is attacking Black.

[HeroR]

Yup that's seem to be the case probably he's obsessed with battling strong opponent like trunks. But I do wonder did goku black in the anime said that trunks is the key to make him stronger,because is weird that goku black for one year did not kill trunks or Mai

Nope. Black found Trunks as an annoyance and tried to kill him every chance he got in the anime. He was happy with just trapping Trunks in the past since he was the only one able to fight him. Nothing in the anime states that Black purposely spared him.

The only worthy opponent Black liked was Goku.

[buutenks]

I am also curious how the manga will end the arc. Will it be similar to the anime, Trunks' timeline gets wiped or will it be a happy ending?

Will Trunks even get that rage form i wonder.

[Noah]

I am also curious how the manga will end the arc. Will it be similar to the anime, Trunks' timeline gets wiped or will it be a happy ending?

Will Trunks even get that rage form i wonder.

I really hope to see none of those, I have faith that Toyotaro will bring this arc ending to justice

[The gr]

I am also curious how the manga will end the arc. Will it be similar to the anime, Trunks' timeline gets wiped or will it be a happy ending?

Will Trunks even get that rage form i wonder.

I really hope to see none of those, I have faith that Toyotaro will bring this arc ending to justice

Nope is going to have the same ending because in the teaser for the universe survival arc manga there two Zeno

Yup that's seem to be the case probably he's obsessed with battling strong opponent like trunks. But I do wonder did goku black in the anime said that trunks is the key to make him stronger,because is weird that goku black for one year did not kill trunks or Mai

Nope. Black found Trunks as an annoyance and tried to kill him every chance he got in the anime. He was happy with just trapping Trunks in the past since he was the only one able to fight him. Nothing in the anime states that Black purposely spared him.

The only worthy opponent Black liked was Goku.

wow goku black is an idiot because he lasted one year without killing trunks I call BS

[Neon Z]

Is that meant to imply Black can only get big boosts from strong opponents? Cause if it is, that'd make a lot of sense.

Yup that's seem to be the case or probably he's obsessed with battling strong opponent like trunks but I do wonder did goku black in the anime said that trunks is the key to make him stronger

But that still doesn't make sense. Because we see in the Namek arc that it doesn't matter what the gap in strength is between the Saiyan and the opponent. If the Saiyan is battered enough, he can still get a substantial Zenkai from it. And Future Zamasu is at the very least SSJ tier, in both the manga. All that needs to happen is for Future Zamasu to blow a few holes in Goku Black's chest, heal him up, rinse and repeat, and he's ready to go. That seriously would have taken about a few minutes.

According to the manga, Black's Zenkai aren't exactly standard Zenkai though, but his cells bonding better with his divine mind. So, that could explain why he needed to face people who were strong enough rather than just lowering his power and allowing Zamasu to blast him.

[Noah]

Nope is going to have the same ending because in the teaser for the universe survival arc manga there two Zeno

F*** NOOOO!

[Lord Beerus]

Yup that's seem to be the case or probably he's obsessed with battling strong opponent like trunks but I do wonder did goku black in the anime said that trunks is the key to make him stronger

But that still doesn't make sense. Because we see in the Namek arc that it doesn't matter what the gap in strength is between the Saiyan and the opponent. If the Saiyan is battered enough, he can still get a substantial Zenkai from it. And Future Zamasu is at the very least SSJ tier, in both the manga. All that needs to happen is for Future Zamasu to blow a few holes in Goku Black's chest, heal him up, rinse and repeat, and he's ready to go. That seriously would have taken about a few minutes.

According to the manga, Black's Zenkai aren't exactly standard Zenkai though, but his cells bonding better with his divine mind. So, that could explain why he needed to face people who were strong enough rather than just lowering his power and allowing Zamasu to blast him.

That... doesn't really explain anything. It just sounds like nonsense made up so that Black wouldn't get stronger so quickly. Zamasu is still using Goku's body and has access to all the Saiyan trait, such as Super Saiyan. Hell, Toriyama himself outright states Goku Black can transform into a Super Saiyan. I don't understand why Zenkai's have to be so needlessly complicated with Black.

[TheUltimateNinja]

But that still doesn't make sense. Because we see in the Namek arc that it doesn't matter what the gap in strength is between the Saiyan and the opponent. If the Saiyan is battered enough, he can still get a substantial Zenkai from it. And Future Zamasu is at the very least SSJ tier, in both the manga. All that needs to happen is for Future Zamasu to blow a few holes in Goku Black's chest, heal him up, rinse and repeat, and he's ready to go. That seriously would have taken about a few minutes.

According to the manga, Black's Zenkai aren't exactly standard Zenkai though, but his cells bonding better with his divine mind. So, that could explain why he needed to face people who were strong enough rather than just lowering his power and allowing Zamasu to blast him.

That... doesn't really explain anything. It just sounds like nonsense made up so that Black wouldn't get stronger so quickly. Zamasu is still using Goku's body and has access to all the Saiyan trait, such as Super Saiyan. Hell, Toriyama himself outright states Goku Black can transform into a Super Saiyan. I don't understand why Zenkai's have to be so needlessly complicated with Black.

I get the feeling that a lot of folks on this very forum could do a better job of explaining things than Toyo, sadly our artistic abilities are nowhere close to his.

[ekrolo2]

I get the feeling that a lot of folks on this very forum could do a better job of explaining things than Toyo, sadly our artistic abilities are nowhere close to his.

The only way to make sense of most of Super's power related stuff comes from fans needing to make elaborate explanations for it honestly.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I get the feeling that a lot of folks on this very forum could do a better job of explaining things than Toyo, sadly our artistic abilities are nowhere close to his.

The only way to make sense of most of Super's power related stuff comes from fans needing to make elaborate explanations for it honestly.

At this point Toyo is worse than the anime in terms of power scaling because we know definitively that there's no enhanced bases in the manga, therefore SSRose Black is now thousands of times stronger than SSBlue Goku and Vegeta. Even fusing into Vegetto shouldn't allow them to overcome such a massive gap.

[Miracles]

I get the feeling that a lot of folks on this very forum could do a better job of explaining things than Toyo, sadly our artistic abilities are nowhere close to his.

The only way to make sense of most of Super's power related stuff comes from fans needing to make elaborate explanations for it honestly.

The fans bias explanations is the reason why Super's power relation is a mess.

[ekrolo2]

The fans bias explanations is the reason why Super's power relation is a mess.

This is true but alternatively if Super wasn't written by a guy who changes his stance on powers at the drop of a hat, we wouldn't have as many things to explain in the first place.

[TheUltimateNinja]

The fans bias explanations is the reason why Super's power relation is a mess.

What kind of logic is this? It's our fault that Toei and Toyo can't keep their power levels straight?

The fans bias explanations is the reason why Super's power relation is a mess.

This is true but alternatively if Super wasn't written by a guy who changes his stance on powers at the drop of a hat, we wouldn't have as many things to explain in the first place.

If we were to take what the manga shows us at face value, SSRose Black ends up billions of times stronger than Base Saiyans.
Base Saiyans: 1
SSJ: 50
SSJ2: 100
SSJ2 Trunks: 380
SSJ3 Goku: 400
Black: 600
SSJ2 Black: 60,000
SSJ2 Vegeta: 100,000
SSBlue Vegeta: 500,000
SSJ2 Black (Zenkai): 600,000
SSRose Black: 3,000,000,000

[Miracles]

The fans bias explanations is the reason why Super's power relation is a mess.

This is true but alternatively if Super wasn't written by a guy who changes his stance on powers at the drop of a hat, we wouldn't have as many things to explain in the first place.

What powers were changed?

The fans bias explanations is the reason why Super's power relation is a mess.

What kind of logic is this? It's our fault that Toei and Toyo can't keep their power levels straight?

Where are the powers not straight?

[TheUltimateNinja]

The fans bias explanations is the reason why Super's power relation is a mess.

This is true but alternatively if Super wasn't written by a guy who changes his stance on powers at the drop of a hat, we wouldn't have as many things to explain in the first place.

What powers were changed?

The fans bias explanations is the reason why Super's power relation is a mess.

What kind of logic is this? It's our fault that Toei and Toyo can't keep their power levels straight?

Where are the powers not straight?

In this arc: SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ2 Black > Base Black > SSJ3 Goku. Why is Vegeta's SSJ2 so much stronger than Goku's SSJ3?

In the U6 Arc: SSJ Goku => 10% SSBlue Vegeta. This also makes no sense.

[ekrolo2]

What powers were changed?

Toriyama went from saying that Base and Super Saiyan would be the only forms going forward to replacing SS1 with Blue to bringing back the first SS form then bringing back SS2 and SS3 AND allowing SSGod to come back as well for the manga. To say his "rules" are loose is like saying Freeza was only a bit of an asshole.