The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:38 pm

Santa had the Infinity Gauntlet once...
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:42 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Santa had the Infinity Gauntlet once...
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ringworm128 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:44 pm

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ringworm128 wrote:Yamcha, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Piccolo Chaozu, Gohan and Popo (late Saiyan arc) all at once with a senzu each vs Nappa.
Didn't we already see this?
By the time Nappa stepped in Yamcha was already dead and they didn't team up until Tien and Chaozu were dead. Also they had no senzu and Popo wasn't there.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:06 am

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ringworm128 wrote:Yamcha, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Piccolo Chaozu, Gohan and Popo (late Saiyan arc) all at once with a senzu each vs Nappa.
Didn't we already see this?
By the time Nappa stepped in Yamcha was already dead and they didn't team up until Tenshinhan and Chaozu were dead. Also they had no senzu and Popo wasn't there.
If they all stay well coordinated, they should be able to take down Nappa. Hell, if Vegeta isn't allowed to interfere, Krillin does it alone.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Santa had the Infinity Gauntlet once...
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Yeah, that time. Ya see? Santa stomps all of Dragon Ball at the same time with a thought.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:51 am

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Kaboom wrote:Janemba is officially stronger than Hildegarn, and Gogeta spanked Janemba like it weren't no thang. No reason to think he couldn't do the same to Hildegarn.
No, he is not. This is just a misconception of some stupid website. We have the producer of the movies saying new movie villains are stronger than the last ones so Hildegran > Janenba is stated. Hildegran is implied to be stronger than Gohan-Boo. Evil Boo > Janenba to me
Janemba was stronger then SSj3 Goku and beat Goku when he was dead. Goku is stronger when he was dead from what I can remember.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:55 am

Kakashi care to explain yourself instead of just saying "no he not" .

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Post by Kakashi » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:57 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Kakashi care to explain yourself instead of just saying "no he not" .
He is the one who should explain that since nothing says so. The difference mentioned is the time limit

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Post by Draken » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:59 am

Kakashi wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Kakashi care to explain yourself instead of just saying "no he not" .
He is the one who should explain that since nothing says so. The difference mentioned is the time limit
You're the one countering his claim, the burden of proof is on you. The difference mentioned is less stamina drain, SSJ3 being more suited to a dead body, and consequently yes, a larger time limit.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:02 am

Draken wrote:
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TheGmGoken wrote:Kakashi care to explain yourself instead of just saying "no he not" .
He is the one who should explain that since nothing says so. The difference mentioned is the time limit
You're the one countering his claim, the burden of proof is on you. The difference mentioned is less stamina drain, SSJ3 being more suited to a dead body, and consequently yes, a larger time limit.
Oh hey. Look who isn't dead.

Kakashi isn't exactly wrong here though. You can't just randomly claim dead Goku > live Goku when nothing of the sort was mentioned or implied.

Just in general Kakashi, put more content into what you post. You just randomly said "SS2 Gogeta is stronger than Gohan-Boo". Okay, where's the proof? Because I have a lot of reasons, both from the manga and guidebooks, to believe that SS3 Gogeta is weaker than Buuhan.

Until then, I maintain what I said: Gohan is superior to all forms of Gogeta bar SS3 Gogeta, so Hirudegarn would stomp any form below that effortlessly.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Draken wrote:
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TheGmGoken wrote:Kakashi care to explain yourself instead of just saying "no he not" .
He is the one who should explain that since nothing says so. The difference mentioned is the time limit
You're the one countering his claim, the burden of proof is on you. The difference mentioned is less stamina drain, SSJ3 being more suited to a dead body, and consequently yes, a larger time limit.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by The Monkey King » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:17 am

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Kamiccolo9 wrote: And again, I consider Bulma shooting Goku while he's running around calling her a witch to be a gag. The whole sequence is a gag showing how clueless Goku is.
No, it's not a gag. It's actually showing how much of a tank Goku is.
I disagree. Goku being shot and surviving is a regular gag scene in early Dragon Ball. And what's more, later on in the manga, after he's had Roshi's training, he can't tank Murasaki's shurikan
I suppose it's a testament to Murasaki's strength.
In the very same arc he tanks Commander White's powered gun:
Looks like more of a durability feat than a gag to me.
takes more damage to a boomerang to the back of the head then a bullet to the front
It depends on who threw the boomerang, when did this even happen?
and aside from when he's shot by Bulma or Lunch, always either dodges or blocks bullets.
They still slow him down so it's natural he'd want to avoid them but when he's hit by one they don't even leave a mark:
so I go with the ones that are consistent throughout the story.
So do I, like Kid Goku tanking bullets repeatedly. :thumbup:

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:48 am

The Monkey King wrote: Stuff
Well would you look at that, I was wrong. My mistake then; sorry about that. :thumbup:

And Kakashi, this is how you refute a post. Not by simply going "You're wrong." You should be taking notes.

Oh, and Monkey King, the boomerang was from the Murasaki fight as well.
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Draken wrote:
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TheGmGoken wrote:Kakashi care to explain yourself instead of just saying "no he not" .
He is the one who should explain that since nothing says so. The difference mentioned is the time limit
You're the one countering his claim, the burden of proof is on you. The difference mentioned is less stamina drain, SSJ3 being more suited to a dead body, and consequently yes, a larger time limit.
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Post by Kakashi » Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:05 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Just in general Kakashi, put more content into what you post. You just randomly said "SS2 Gogeta is stronger than Gohan-Boo". Okay, where's the proof? Because I have a lot of reasons, both from the manga and guidebooks, to believe that SS3 Gogeta is weaker than Buuhan.

Until then, I maintain what I said: Gohan is superior to all forms of Gogeta bar SS3 Gogeta, so Hirudegarn would stomp any form below that effortlessly.
SSjin 3 Gogeta would be multiple times stronger than SSjin 3 Gotenks. The gap between Vegetto and Gogeta was never implied to be so huge. Kaioshin impljes fusion SSjin ~ Potara base. Kamiccolo, lol I got lazy because I used my I Phone. I know how to debate

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:15 pm

No, he wouldn't. The feats of Goten and Trunks relative to Vegeta and Gohan, even prior to the ROSAT, simply do not allow Gotenks to be that much weaker than Gogeta. The adults were not able to tank the kids or move so fast the kids couldn't see them. The gap is most likely less than x2.

Numerous things (the strength of Goten and Trunks relative to their dads, Buu himself, Goku himself when he says Potara is the only way to stop Buu, the Daiz stating Goten = CG Gohan) state/heavily imply Buuhan would beat SS3 Gogeta. Base Vegetto was implied to be in Buuhan's tier. How does that not imply a massive gap?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:18 pm

Still think this should be answered ya know.

Can Freeza beat Santa enough to get on the nice list? Or does Santa get a certain Red Nose Reindeer to shit in Freeza's mouth?

Frosty vs Birsu.

Frosty accidentally spit snow on Beerus pudding

Elfs vs Saibamen

If Saibamen can be grown like plants. Can the Elfs make a toy that creates good Saibamen?

The Grinch vs Gotenks

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:20 pm

Santa stomps Freeza with the Infinity Gauntlet.

All other Christmas related characters lose. Snowmen and Elves can't go up against casual solar system and moon busters respectively, and the Grinch at least had redemption.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:25 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Santa stomps Freeza with the Infinity Gauntlet.

All other Christmas related characters lose. Snowmen and Elves can't go up against casual solar system and moon busters respectively, and the Grinch at least had redemption.
The power of Xmas spirit can NOT be rivaled!

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