Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Noah]

I don't get how it even remotely sounds like ROF.

They’re talking about how it just seems to be another situation where they take arguably the most popular old villain (Freeza or in this case, Broly) and put him into a movie where most of it is just fighting. Imo, it seems more like a fusion of the first Broly movie, DBMinus, and Fusion Reborn. Either way, i can see why people don’t really see this whole thing as “original”.

Well, it's just like Doctor. have said:

It's honestly incredible how this movie lacks any sort of originality whatsoever.

Which is really sad and a reason why Toriyama should leave for good, he's not into doing new stuff anymore is almost like he's uninspired.

Freeza’s wish is that he wants to be taller. Geekdom revealed it. Toriyama comin in with the gags. This is def gonna anger some people but I find this funny as hell.

Good for you, man.

I think this is really stupid and unoriginal, Freeza is not a goofy villain as Commander Red back in early DB, it doesn't have any sense for a guy who is know as the Evil Emperor of the Universe to have such stupid wish when he desired for immortality a long time ago.

Exactly. I hate how hypocritical this fandom can be.

There's no hypocrisy in respecting and/or appreciating the author's take on his own character over someone else's take as mere fans (assuming this is true and does come from Toriyama).

Yes, there is... As remember if Freeza's wish was somehow Toei idea, people would be really harsh about how they're running Toriyama character, but since it's on the author... It's all fine. That's what hypocrisy means.

Remember Episode 128? Toshio said he wrote a "Cool Vegeta"? That line about vegeta in the movie is just marketing fluff to get fans excited and drive interest. nothing more

Yes and I do remember that some Twitter fans got mad about it and started to curse him on the social media, pathetic and hilarious at the same time

I am here praying that someone confirms that Freeza dies forever. Anyway that won't happen

Yes, because they don't have any convicent reason to do it. Kill Freeza for the second time after him being brought to life? Non sense.

[SSJgogeto]

Super Baby 1 was already stated to be stronger than Vegito

Where?

[Noah]

Broly calmly says kakarot at the end of the movie and then he and Cheyle leave

What? NO MAD HUGE LSSJ SCREAMING "KAKAROTTO" FROM THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS?! WHAT A PILE OF TRASH!!!

Just kidding, but I'll really miss him doing those on the actual movie.

COOOLA WAS MENTIONED!

That's probably the best thing I read from this movie now on.

And people who say "COOLA IS CANON" remember that the only canon thing about Cooler right now is existence of character with such name.
His movies are not canon and even his design isn't canon so don't get excited.

Actually, people who say Coola is now canon are wrong cause this franchise has no stated continuity whatsoever and his existence not only contradicts the original manga, but the actual DBS TV show, but I can say I'm glad we might see him in the future, he's one of my favorite movie villains.

I was told Vegeta has a line to where he COMPARED Broly to Beerus.

Please, like either Goku or Vegeta have ever fought with Beerus with him using the full extend of his power. This comparison is just baseless hype to fans.

I rest easy knowing that Ultra Instinct wasn't wasted to put over Broly.

It would still be better than relying on fusion to finish the job, shirtless Goku defeating Broly on this movie would be a good reference to M8.

Frieza: MAKE ME GOD OF D-
Beerus: (appears behind him)
Frieza: erm.. MAKE ME TALLER!!! (smiles comically at beerus)
Shenron: Your wish is granted.
Frieza: (dammit ...)

I would tolerate that, but sadly Freeza actuallys wishes to be taller which is a shame.

[AnimeNation101]

Told Yall.

COOLER MAYBE DEBUNKED

https://twitter.com/KenXyro/status/1062 ... 23040?s=19

[Rakurai]

Super Baby 1 was already stated to be stronger than Vegito

Where?

Baby Vegeta claimed he had the strongest Saiya power after absorbing powers from the half-Saiyan kids. Goku confirmed it and says he's never felt a ki as strong as his.

But this isn't the correct section for this sort of debate. Pls take it somewhere else.

2. It was never stated anywhere that Z Gogeta was stronger than Z Vegito, especially since Z Vegito was confirmed the strongest character in all of Z.

Some magazine supposedly said that Gogeta was the stronger one, think it was this:

https://i.imgur.com/rWUo7fI.jpg

Really not sure if that's even written in there (Though there is a Vegetto vs Gogeta mini section), or even the credibility of it though.

On that Gogeta vs Vegito scan, it says if the battle is less than 30 min., Gogeta would win, while in a longer battle Vegito would win.

That's an interesting scan though. Where does it come from? I've never seen it before.

[Cetra]

Doesn't sound like he is literally "debunked" but like a pun with pretty much his form being seen.

[Luso Saiyan]

Yes, there is... As remember if Freeza's wish was somehow Toei idea, people would be really harsh about how they're running Toriyama character, but since it's on the author... It's all fine. That's what hypocrisy means.

No, there isn't. First, that's a baseless accusation. Second, like I said, there's no hypocrisy in accepting and/or respecting the original author's approach to his character as opposed to someone else's.

[AnimeNation101]

Doesn't sound like he is literally "debunked" but like a pun with pretty much his form being seen.

Ken literally said it could just be them saying Freeza’s other forms looked cool rather than actually mentioning Cooler. Thats why i said maybe debunked.

And that added onto the fact that NO ONE ELSE has confirm Cooler

[Chuquita]

Having tallied my thoughts, I'm more on the neutral to good feelings about the movie. It probably will be something where I'll need to read the dialogue to get a better hold of how much I like it. The animation I know will be good.

I know I like the ending, and I like seeing Gokû and Vegeta teamwork, so.

I'm also super relieved knowing Bardock does try to fight Freeza.

[sunsetshimmer]

On that Gogeta vs Vegito scan, it says if the battle is less than 30 min., Gogeta would win, while in a longer battle Vegito would win.

That's an interesting scan though. Where does it come from? I've never seen it before.

The funny thing is that Gogeta lasts 30 min lmao, so it basically says that Vegito wins after Gogeta defuse

2. It was never stated anywhere that Z Gogeta was stronger than Z Vegito, especially since Z Vegito was confirmed the strongest character in all of Z.

Wasn't he stated the strongest character in manga? Or simply main story that M12 was never part of?

[Grimlock]

Just knowing that Bardock indeed faces Freeza in this movie, I can rest easy and everything else is just a bonus.

Gimme base Gogeta just for a plus!

Oh god, I'm finally happy for something related to the "main series". Not even myself was expecting that.

[Cetra]

Doesn't sound like he is literally "debunked" but like a pun with pretty much his form being seen.

Ken literally said it could just be them saying Freeza’s other forms looked cool rather than actually mentioning Cooler. Thats why i said maybe debunked.

And that added onto the fact that NO ONE ELSE has confirm Cooler

Yes, I read the post. That is why I said it does not need to be totally "debunked" because it could be an hommage to Cooler for the fans as some sort of pun even if they did not literally say "you know, there's Cooler out there". An easter egg of sorts. Of course that will not be enough for everyone if he is not literally mentioned. I also wish for him to appear in Super after all.

[Venus]

That's so much BS, you can't even compare Black Arc Vegetto with Post ToP Gogeta because Goku and Vegeta are obviously stronger in the latter.

Post ToP Vegetto would wipe the floor with Gogeta, however it's funny how Toriyama basically destroyed potara fusion and made the fusion dance so "Powerful?" I mean, Gogeta aparently lasts for entire 30 minutes, which makes really no sense as he should not last more than maybe 1 minute?

[Galan007]

Full Geekdom spoilers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imsCATW ... outu.be&a=

[mahakaishin1991]

Just knowing that Bardock indeed faces Freeza in this movie, I can rest easy and everything else is just a bonus.

Gimme base Gogeta just for a plus!

Oh god, I'm finally happy for something related to the "main series". Not even myself was expecting that.

All I need to know is if Toma appears at all

[PFM18]

so they retconned Jiren>Beerus then? It seems that they just tossed Jiren's claim to fame of being the mortal stronger than a God of Destruction because not only would he not be the only one because Broly is too, but he isn't actually even stronger than a GoD anymore either!

Jiren > Beerus wasn't retconned because it was never a thing to begin with.

Yeah it was. Jiren's entire schtick was that he was the mortal stronger than Gods of Destruction. Whis said Belmod was stronger than Beerus, and Jiren is stronger than Belmod. UI Goku is in the "state of the Gods" and he had "stepped over the state of the Gods."

[sunsetshimmer]

That's so much BS, you can't even compare Black Arc Vegetto with Post ToP Gogeta because Goku and Vegeta are obviously stronger in the latter.

Post ToP Vegetto would wipe the floor with Gogeta, however it's funny how Toriyama basically destroyed potara fusion and made the fusion dance so "Powerful?" I mean, Gogeta aparently lasts for entire 30 minutes, which makes really no sense as he should not last more than maybe 1 minute?

Except Goku and Vegeta Blue could defend themselves against Fused Zamasu while Vegito Blue was STILL struggling.
Here apparently even base Gogeta can handle what was also serious threat for Blue.
The gap between unfused and fused seems to be a lot higher in case of Gogeta.

Gogeta maybe lasts 30 min because SSJ Blue is calm the same way it let's you use Kaioken.
Even SSJ4 managed to last full 10 minutes.

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

Does this film is bloodsy ?

[Xaroc]

Okay, first to all people who say Fusion Dance > Potara because Potara uses up time when SSJB: according to the leaks Gogeta fights as Base AND SSJ first, so even if that doesn't drain from the 30 minutes, it still uses up somewhat of the regular time. So when they go SSJB LATER, it could still mean it drains time too. We can only safely confirm anything, when Gogeta goes SSJB someday right from the beginning, like Vegetto did. Just Saiyan.

Oh and nice, it if really is true about Coola.
Plottwist: Freeza changed his wish after he saw the Fusion Dance and Gogeta, so he wished to be taller so he could do the Fusion Dance with his Brother to create a solution against Gogeta/Vegetto. (Just kidding )

So far the Movie sounds really awesome and finally no "KAKAROTTO!!!!!!111eleven" anymore.
And so far as Powerlevels are concerned... I quote Abridged Vegeta here: "And STOP asking that! NOBODY CARES ANYMORE!" Including me. I enjoy some story and a good fight and that's it.

[Lukmendes]

Super Baby 1 was already stated to be stronger than Vegito

Where?

In the anime itself when fighting Baby, Goku mentions that Baby has the strongest ki he ever felt.

Though I always got the impression that the way Goku usualy talks about this it's the ki of someone who isn't him, so whether or not he's including Vegetto is dubious, but Super Baby 1 probably outclasses Vegetto since GT likes to increase power levels a lot.

COOOLA WAS MENTIONED!

That's probably the best thing I read from this movie now on.

Well, that's unconfirmed so far:

May you ask him about the Cooler thing too?

He said he couldn't remember anything like that.

On that Gogeta vs Vegito scan, it says if the battle is less than 30 min., Gogeta would win, while in a longer battle Vegito would win.

That's an interesting scan though. Where does it come from? I've never seen it before.

Oh, so it's finaly confirmed that Gogeta would win according to this, thanks man.

And sorry, I don't know where it's from, someone posted it in one of the many, many Gogeta vs Vegetto arguments I've seen on the internet and I saved it 'cause it'd be good to have it, so yeah, how legitimate this is is dubious, if I'm not wrong I saw it before Super was even announced, ot at most at the beginning of it.