The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

Assume that, for whatever reason, Bardock was able to transform into a Super Saiyan while confronting Freeza above the planet. How would he fare?

I think this is an interesting match-up. Bardock would be a tiny bit below 500,000, giving Freeza a 6-10% power advantage. Bardock appears to be a pretty skilled fighter, and is definitely more seasoned and experienced than Freeza, but Freeza appears to have more impressive ki manipulation and techniques.

[KentalSSJ6]

Assume that, for whatever reason, Bardock was able to transform into a Super Saiyan while confronting Freeza above the planet. How would he fare?

I think this is an interesting match-up. Bardock would be a tiny bit below 500,000, giving Freeza a 6-10% power advantage. Bardock appears to be a pretty skilled fighter, and is definitely more seasoned and experienced than Freeza, but Freeza appears to have more impressive ki manipulation and techniques.

Not even a SSJ4 Bardock could take Freeza.

10k X 4k = 40 Million.

Thats less than half of Final Form Freeza's power.

The only thing Bardock would do is get crushed and give Freeza a massive ego boost.

[RandomGuy96]

I should have specified: this is first form Freeza. He can't transform.

[KentalSSJ6]

I should have specified: this is first form Freeza. He can't transform.

Depends on how much of a difference you think a 30k advantage makes.

[Draken]

I should have specified: this is first form Freeza. He can't transform.

Depends on how much of a difference you think a 30k advantage makes.

That was kinda exactly what he was asking.

[RandomGuy96]

It would be a bit more than 30K. More like 30-60K. In any case, who do you think wins? I think SS Bardock would be 480K, so I'd give Freeza the win due to a slight power advantage, better physical attributes, and better techniques. I'd still think Freeza would win even if they were equal.

That was kinda exactly what he was asking.

Well yeah, among other things.

[KentalSSJ6]

I should have specified: this is first form Freeza. He can't transform.

Depends on how much of a difference you think a 30k advantage makes.

That was kinda exactly what he was asking.

Well do we have any examples of a 30k or so advantage in the past?

[RandomGuy96]

It's percentage based, rather than based on pure numbers. Otherwise Freeza's 30 million disadvantage against Goku would have meant more.

[Draken]

You shouldn't be going off raw differences, because that makes for a messy comparison. Go off of percentages, or ratio.

[Kid Buu]

Puar Vs. Veggeto

The former has never lost, while the latter has never won. Who takes it?

[RandomGuy96]

I'm gonna say Puar, because I'm a rebel.

[The Monkey King]

Puar Vs. Veggeto

The former has never lost, while the latter has never won. Who takes it?

Puar turns into a can of Anti-Vegito spray.

[Kakashi]

Power-wise, SSj Bardock has to be right around 1st-form Freeza's level minimum (since he was already at 10,000 before he went to fight Freeza.) So even if you assume he didn't get another near-death boost when Freeza blasted him, he's still got just as much an edge over Vegeta and company as Freeza did, he just can't transform again to power up more. So Vegeta is pretty much useless, Gohan could probably hurt him if he gets rage-boosted but otherwise is even more useless than Vegeta, and Krillin could probably kill him with a Kienzan but he'd have to have a lot of luck to actually hit him dead-on with it, and aside from that (or blinding him with a Solar Flare) would also be useless against somebody at that level.

Unfortunately for Vegeta, Krillin, and Gohan... Bardock probably wasn't at the bare-minimum 10,000 or so when he went Super Saiyan... though there's no way of knowing where he actually ended up. He could be only 33% stronger (going by Vegeta's 18,000 ---> 24,000 boost) which would put him at 666,666 in Super Saiyan, a power level which would freak out both Vegeta and religious nuts. He could be 2.5x or 3x stronger (going by some of the other near-death boosts we see), which would mean he'd be over a million in Super Saiyan. Worst case scenario (for Vegeta and company), he could've followed in his son's footsteps and gotten an absurd 33x near-death boost, which would put him at sixteen million when he went Super Saiyan (and 330,000 in base, which would still probably be a bit too much for them to handle without ganging up on him and getting lucky... unless you think Vegeta was actually close to Freeza's 530,000 during their little arm-wrestling match, rather than the official 250,000 level for him.)

We have to assume that Bardock got a near-death power-up, since to transform into a Super Saiyan, a requirement is to have power beyond the standard Saiyan level, which is between 30.000 & 90.000 (Goku was beyond that level at 90.000, but Vegeta still wasn't beyond that level at 30.000).

Nothing like that was ever implied

[DBZGTKOSDH]

You are right it was never implied, it was stated in the manga/anime, and various guidebooks.

[TheGmGoken]

Capsule Corps vs Red Ribbon vs Sony vs Microsoft

Who wins the business war?

[Kamiccolo9]

Capsule Corps vs Red Ribbon vs Sony vs Microsoft

Who wins the business war?

Disney.

[RandomGuy96]

Well, Bill Gates already defeated Sony's CEO in hand to hand combat to win the console wars; I'm pretty sure he can also take Commander Red and Mr. Briefs. He'll beat them to death by bashing their heads against the walls.

[Hellspawn28]

SSj HL Goku Jr. vs. 21st TB Goku.

Who wins? I never view Goku Jr. that strong, but some people think that he's pretty strong since he gets training from Pan.

[KentalSSJ6]

SSj HL Goku Jr. vs. 21st TB Goku.

Who wins? I never view Goku Jr. that strong, but some people think that he's pretty strong since he gets training from Pan.

Refresh my memory, was the 21st TB During Dragonball, or was it in DBZ?

Personally I see Goku Jr. whooping Goku at any point in Dragonball and quite possibly up to Namek Saga Goku.

[Kakashi]

You are right it was never implied, it was stated in the manga/anime, and various guidebooks.

Proof?