Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:42 am

Now that I've seen the episode in full, I have to say that in terms of visuals, this one was the most "mixed bag" we've gotten. A nice Broly homage, some really interesting expressions and character acting, but then some the U6 backgrounds were pretty disjointed, it definitely retains the "cardboard" feeling that Super is infamous for. This episode has plenty of stills, every bit as mixed a bag as the rest. They vary from pretty good to a little jarring, and everywhere in-between. The Freeza scene was okay, the colors and pedals and dialogue, and even the backgrounds do wonders to set the atmosphere, but the characters' bodies themselves don't sell the tension well at all.

Not really animation-related, but it felt like whoever's in charge of music placement just threw a dart to decide what piece goes where. Probably the worst we've gotten on that front in quite a while, but it's still not terrible. Not a fan of Kale's voice either. It's supposed to be innocent and shy, but I feel her VA goes totally overboard.

Those are actually my only thoughts on the episode as a whole. I think this is one of those that I won't be sure of until I go back and binge the arc once it's over. I don't think it's bad, but it wasn't great.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:46 am

I think 88 is by far the most inconsistent and worst put together episode of the arc honestly. 93 was done pretty well, maybe a bit more inconsistent than the norm we've had for a bit, but not by much.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by neolux » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:08 am

I don't know what is it but I absolutely adore Goku's calmness expression on this shot.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by Hit!! » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:37 am

After watching the episode in high quality twice, i can say, it was pretty consistant. With some weird shots here and there, but overall it was ok.

The part where Goku was negociating with Freeza looked pretty good. The post production in this episode was noticeable if you compare the preview shot that was first released weeks ago with Golden Freeza in hell and the backround. The final product was so different, the backround and the lighting reflected in both Goku's and Freeza's bodies. Those details are super important. DBS used to have a serious problem when it came to the backround not reflecting in the characters body, making it look like a copy pasted images. Looks like Super has overcome that issue.

Also loved some of the expressions throughout the episode.
neolux wrote:I don't know what is it but I absolutely adore Goku's calmness expression on this shot.
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Yes, i was also a fan of that calm Goku shot. Reminded me a lot of some of the late DBZ movies that were very on model but also very expressive.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:41 am

I think it's very interesting that Kitano was not on this episode, he's pretty consistently only gotten 5 or 6 weeks for his episodes, some times even less, though occasionally more. He didn't appear to be in the NEP, though that doesn't mean he isn't on the episode, regardless he's getting a minimum of 7 weeks for whatever he's working on and that's kinda odd to me. It could just be that they wanted someone more skilled on this episode because it was important, so they just bumped Kitano back a bit.

I think it's interesting that there were only 4 people from Ono's studio, himself and Sawaki included, on this episode. They seem like a pretty talented group, that studio could probably easily handle some episodes by themselves with the right staff sizes, I wonder why Toei seems to refuse to let any episode be entirely outsourced.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by Sodhi » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:41 am

One thing I am going to say is that I am really loving Nagamine's direction of the series so far. Episodes seems so much more livelier than before. Good stuff.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:52 am

Sodhi wrote:One thing I am going to say is that I am really loving Nagamine's direction of the series so far. Episodes seems so much more livelier than before. Good stuff.
Despite some misgivings, I have to agree on this. I'm still not a huge fan of Super, and the highs aren't as high as they have been, but it's shaped up to be much better on the whole.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:13 am

Love has already been given to Manabe's Kale scene, but his Golden Freeza is gorgeous.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by Hit!! » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:27 am

ArchedThunder wrote:Love has already been given to Manabe's Kale scene, but his Golden Freeza is gorgeous.
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Beautiful.

See what I'm talking about?? His body's lighting reflects the environment... This little detail makes everything look so much better.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by precita » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:48 am

I really loved the muted colors on Golden Freeza there, it looks so much better. I know it's just for the style of that scene, but I'd really love it if his colors were more subdued like that in the tournament then the bright gold it was back in the movie.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:23 am

What a great looking episode!! Really enjoyed it!!!
I have to admit that excluding the punches between Cabba and Kale (they were too slow), the art was constantly looking good and the dialogues too.

We had 2 instances with bank animation for Caulifla but who cares?
Goku walking on the flowers had also some issues but...whatever
Finally, consistent art!!!!!

Was my man Kitano doing anything in this one or was that one of the classic episodes like 1 that Kitano supervises literally nothing?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by Sodhi » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:26 am

Kitano was not in the episode at all. Newtype got it wrong again.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:30 am

I've seen a few people say this episode had terrible art and animation, that's kinda surprising to me. It certainly wasn't the best looking episode, but it was pretty serviceable. The art ranged from mediocre to legitimately great and the animation was pretty solid through out, with some really nice moments, particularly some of the character acting.
Sodhi wrote:Kitano was not in the episode at all. Newtype got it wrong again.
Yeah, it's annoying when they get it wrong, I wonder why that happens sometimes.
Hopefully the next set of listings is completely accurate.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by precita » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:38 am

ArchedThunder wrote:I've seen a few people say this episode had terrible art and animation, that's kinda surprising to me.
I've only seen people on neogaf say that, I don't know what they're expecting. They don't seem very well informed on the show in general, which is understandable since they seem to be casual fans, like making comments saying Piccolo killed people like his father (which never happened), or complaining about anime/movie canon.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by dhaval_dongre » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:39 am

I didn't liked the art in the 1st part. I don't know how to describe it. Some of the shots were wierd. I don't understand their intentions behind that. But the 2nd half was much better. I really liked Manabe's style. I hope others deviate from Yamamuro's style like Manabe and Tate do. That's one of the advantages of not having Yamamuro around.

The NEP looks nice.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by Mazingerdestro » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:40 am

Sodhi wrote:Kitano was not in the episode at all. Newtype got it wrong again.
Makes sense, couldn't spot him at all.
Let's hope he is not on the next one because the NEP already spoiled a battle with Frieza

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:43 am

Something I didn't really think about before, but Ide was almost non existent on this episode, wonder if that means he's going to be super heavy on 95.
There was also no Ohara on this episode, hopefully that's because he's able to work ahead on the next episode that studio is doing. More likely he was just busy working on something else, but a man can hope!

Fuji TV still lists Chioka as the series director, lol.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by Psykomatik » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:33 am

ArchedThunder wrote:Something I didn't really think about before, but Ide was almost non existent on this episode, wonder if that means he's going to be super heavy on 95.
There was also no Ohara on this episode, hopefully that's because he's able to work ahead on the next episode that studio is doing. More likely he was just busy working on something else, but a man can hope!

Fuji TV still lists Chioka as the series director, lol.
Tsutomu Ono said that they're gonna work on the next episode soon. So Ohara's not working yet, but'll probably.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by ArchedThunder » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:35 am

Psykomatik wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Something I didn't really think about before, but Ide was almost non existent on this episode, wonder if that means he's going to be super heavy on 95.
There was also no Ohara on this episode, hopefully that's because he's able to work ahead on the next episode that studio is doing. More likely he was just busy working on something else, but a man can hope!

Fuji TV still lists Chioka as the series director, lol.
Tsutomu Ono said that they're gonna work on the next episode soon. So Ohara's not working yet, but'll probably.
Was he talking about himself specifically though?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 90

Post by Psykomatik » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:39 am

ArchedThunder wrote:
Psykomatik wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:Something I didn't really think about before, but Ide was almost non existent on this episode, wonder if that means he's going to be super heavy on 95.
There was also no Ohara on this episode, hopefully that's because he's able to work ahead on the next episode that studio is doing. More likely he was just busy working on something else, but a man can hope!

Fuji TV still lists Chioka as the series director, lol.
Tsutomu Ono said that they're gonna work on the next episode soon. So Ohara's not working yet, but'll probably.
Was he talking about himself specifically though?
He said "we": https://twitter.com/benRG400/status/871218292165296128

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