The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kid Buu]

Opening a can of worms here but just curious....Gohan Vs Dabura if the fight continued.

[Kamiccolo9]

Opening a can of worms here but just curious....Gohan Vs Dabura if the fight continued.

Either way, I think. At the rate they were going, I'd say Dabura would have won, and he definitely wasn't concerned about facing Gohan again later. On the other hand, Goku believed that Gohan could win, if he could release his power like he did against Cell, and wasn't too concerned about how he was performing against Dabura in the first place.

So, I'd go with Dabura, with Gohan also having a fair chance to win.

[Friezacooler]

yeah that is why he blasted a hole through Buuhan, to save Gohan and the rest logic

[Saiga]

Apparently, Dabra was incapable of actually damaging Gohan, so Gohan would eventually win.

[Kaboom]

yeah that is why he blasted a hole through Buuhan, to save Gohan and the rest logic

That type of dismissive attitude is not an acceptable way to respond to someone. Show some respect for other members or don't post at all.

Opening a can of worms here but just curious....Gohan Vs Dabura if the fight continued.

I'd say 50/50. Either one of Dabra's magic tricks gets the better of Gohan and turns things in Dabra's favor, or Gohan manages to remember how to fight and makes use of his power advantage.

OR if Gohan manages to go Super Saiyan 2, then it's suddenly a 100% shutout victory for him.

[Friezacooler]

Dabura's illusion should work on ssj2 Gohan, unless that form gives Gohan also more awareness similar to Vegito and SSJ4. which leaves Gohan open for attacks don't know whether they would be effective except for the spit. SSJ1 Gohan vs Dabura, demon king takes that one. As it shown that he thinks ahead of his opponents.

[RandomGuy96]

Opening a can of worms here but just curious....Gohan Vs Dabura if the fight continued.

Goku stated that Dabra was winning, and Dabra stated that he would have "no problem disposing of trash like [Gohan]" after their brief fight. Either Dabra was holding back and was actually stronger than Gohan, in which case he takes it easily, or he could have eventually defeated Gohan with his magic tricks.

Apparently, Dabra was incapable of actually damaging Gohan, so Gohan would eventually win.

What gives you that idea? The meter seemed to move from ~47% to ~51% after Gohan and Dabra's fight.

[Saiga]

What gives you that idea? The meter seemed to move from ~47% to ~51% after Gohan and Dabra's fight.

Did it? I thought Babidi said he wasn't inflicting any damage, period.

[RandomGuy96]

What gives you that idea? The meter seemed to move from ~47% to ~51% after Gohan and Dabra's fight.

Did it? I thought Babidi said he wasn't inflicting any damage, period.

Do you have a quote for that? If Dabra was really at that big of a disadvantage, I'd think that Babidi would notice. And so would Dabra, for that matter; he's not a moron, despite his apparent unfamiliarity with the concept of suppressing battle powers. Both of them seem pretty confident that Gohan can't beat Dabra, which do not sound like the words of two people who just saw Gohan not get get harmed by any of Dabra's hits.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P3.1
Dabra: “Even if Kaioshin comes, he can’t do anything as long as I’m here…”

(the same guy that could render SS2 Gohan completely helpless?)

Chapter: 459 (DBZ 265), P2.2-3
Badidi: “How about it, Dabra? Just to be sure, do you have confidence that you can defeat that Earthling [Gohan]?”
Dabra: “Naturally. I fought him a little bit before, after all. There’s no doubt that I can take care of trash like that.”

(implication that Dabra wasn't at "full force" when fighting Gohan?)

Plus, even if he did, I didn't see Gohan damage Dabra either. They each only hit each other once, but at least Dabra managed to mess up Gohan's clothes and put a few scratches on him. I guess that we could have missed a bit of the fight, though.

[Saiga]

Babidi sounds the opposite of confident to me, he seems worried since Dabra is his last line of defence. And I don't think Dabra was implying that he wasn't going all out before, just that as it stood he was winning so he was confident that he'd win when they rematched.

The way I saw it, was that Dabra was weaker and kept getting hits in because of Gohan's rustiness, but couldn't damage him. If Gohan was able to adjust and start hitting him he'd win.

I am going to check my VizBig for the quote, since it's not in the strength checker.

[RandomGuy96]

Babidi sounds the opposite of confident to me, he seems worried since Dabra is his last line of defence. And I don't think Dabra was implying that he wasn't going all out before, just that as it stood he was winning so he was confident that he'd win when they rematched.

The way I saw it, was that Dabra was weaker and kept getting hits in because of Gohan's rustiness, but couldn't damage him. If Gohan was able to adjust and start hitting him he'd win.

I am going to check my VizBig for the quote, since it's not in the strength checker.

We actually saw them hit each other the equal number of times (once), and saw Gohan do no damage to Dabra with the one hit he landed, while Dabra's hit at least ruined Gohan's clothes, and made Gohan look mad afterwards, indicating that it probably hurt.

I don't think Dabra's a moron, and I doubt he'd refer to someone stronger than him, who he needed to get tactical to fight against, as "trash", and think that there's no way he has a chance of losing.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Dabra looked a bit pissed after being kicked away by Gohan. Both are unimpressive, but Dabra just looks much more pathetic once his tricks are rendered useless.

Bobbidi: "You have to damage him more!"

He was just growing impatient with Dabra's lack of damage energy, but he definitely damaged Gohan a bit.

[Saiga]

Yeah, just checked and Turlast's quote is in the VizBig. And even if Gohan's stronger, Dabra wasn't the underdog because he relied on skill. He might have just seen a weakness in Gohan's rusty skills, started exploiting it effectively, and then wrote him off as trash because of it.

[hleV]

Opening a can of worms here but just curious....Gohan Vs Dabura if the fight continued.

I honestly believe that Dabra was, indeed, stronger than Gohan. Both from the fight itself and from the dialoges. Gohan wasn't "rusty", he'd been training for a month and likely gotten back in shape, it's the fact that he hadn't been training for 7 years and couldn't get rage boosts that rendered him incapable of defeating a foe which Goku & Vegeta wouldn't have had a problem with.

Spoiler:

"I never imagined such power"

You mean "never imagined such realm existed"?

Kaio knew how strong Vegetto was, what boosts the Super Saiyan forms give, and the Kaioshin had 2 Potara pairs. Yet they should never, NEVER, NEVER anger Beers. And when Goku saw his power as a Super Saiyan God, he said that he never imagined that such power existed, which make God Goku stronger than Super Vegetto.

Beerus was supposedly stronger (don't know whether Kaio knew of Whis' strength) than anyone else at the time, and could eradicate planets in seconds, of course he's not to be angered... Plus, knowing the past, not everyone instantly agrees to fuse, so better to be safe.

And Beers was stated to be the strongest in the universe, until we learned that Whis was even stronger.

"Stated X until we learned Y"? What kind of nonsense is that... The initial statement is wrong, it doesn't matter when we learned it.

"Oh no there's this super powerful being that is coming to blow up our planet, and the super powerful God form failed to defeat him!"
"Wait, Beers is actually weak shit, all we need to do is fuse into Vegetto, that'll kick his ass for sure! We can save the planet!"
"Nah I'll just sit here and die instead."

"Hey, Shenlong can grant more than one wish, remember? Let's use it! No... wait... we're in BOG, where everything contradicts everything. I guess it's okay to not mention Vegetto, because he would destroy the enemies and the movie would be over... It's okay, it's BOG!"

[Draken]

There's that whole "we don't need one more wish so we can save it and use it in another 4 months" thing too...

There's also "Oh, wait, we're in Dragon Ball, where everything contradicts everything!"

BoG has many contradictions but no more than the whole damn series itself. It's not secret you don't like BoG since you said it yourself but that seems a little biased to me...

Ridiculing other people's theories isn't a very nice approach either. You're saying me, Kaboom, DBZ, and other people's thinking is "nonsense" just because of our separate viewpoint from yours?

[Kaboom]

Think of it this way instead. The "history of Z" in question is an out-of-universe history, not in-universe. It means Beerus was the strongest DBZ character introduced by Toriyama/Toei/Whoever to date, at least until Whis' power was revealed afterwards.

[KentalSSJ6]

Think of it this way instead. The "history of Z" in question is an out-of-universe history, not in-universe. It means Beerus was the strongest DBZ character introduced by Toriyama/Toei/Whoever to date, at least until Whis' power was revealed afterwards.

Indeed. I'm surprised how confused people are about that.

Though I suppose the bit about Whis getting revealed ahead of time didnt help.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

You mean "never imagined such realm existed"?

Same thing. Beerus says that Goku absorbed the "realm" of the form, and Toriyama then says the same thing, but uses the word "power" instead of "realm", and also uses the world "realm" as a synonym of "power".

I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.

Beerus was supposedly stronger (don't know whether Kaio knew of Whis' strength) than anyone else at the time, and could eradicate planets in seconds, of course he's not to be angered...

If Goku had time to train with Kaio in hopes he would turn into a Super Saiyan God, then he had more than enough time to teleport to the Kaioshin Realm, take a Potara pair, find Vegeta, and turn into Vegetto.

Plus, knowing the past, not everyone instantly agrees to fuse, so better to be safe.

You think that Vegeta wouldn't eventually agree? Vegeta cares for Earth, and even more for his family. He wouldn't let Beerus kill everyone just because of his stubbornness. He is stubborn, not stupid.

"Stated X until we learned Y"? What kind of nonsense is that... The initial statement is wrong, it doesn't matter when we learned it.

Oh, I'm not talking about the statement in V-Jump, I'm talking about Kaio's & Goku's statements.

"Hey, Shenlong can grant more than one wish, remember? Let's use it! No... wait... we're in BOG, where everything contradicts everything. I guess it's okay to not mention Vegetto, because he would destroy the enemies and the movie would be over... It's okay, it's BOG!"

What kind of logic is that? So you can create plot-holes because there are already other plot-holes just to make Vegetto stronger than God Goku, Beerus, and Whis?

Think of it this way instead. The "history of Z" in question is an out-of-universe history, not in-universe. It means Beerus was the strongest DBZ character introduced by Toriyama/Toei/Whoever to date, at least until Whis' power was revealed afterwards.

We really don't need to justify the statement, since Kaio's statements & Goku's actions and statements imply that Super Saiyan God & Beers are above anything Vegetto would have been able to do.

[Draken]

You think that Vegeta wouldn't eventually agree? Vegeta cares for Earth, and even more for his family. He wouldn't let Beerus kill everyone just because of his stubbornness. He is stubborn, not stupid.

To add on to this point: When Vegetto learns about Beers defeating Goku in two blows, he goes HOLY SHIT MUST THROW AWAY MY EVERLASTING PRIDE THAT I'M KNOWN FOR AS A PROUD SAIYAN PRINCE BECAUSE DAMN THIS GUY TOO STRONG. He begs, grovels, dances, does everything in his power to make Beers not blow up the Earth... except fuse with Goku, become the most powerful being in the Universe, and kick some GoD ass?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

You think that Vegeta wouldn't eventually agree? Vegeta cares for Earth, and even more for his family. He wouldn't let Beerus kill everyone just because of his stubbornness. He is stubborn, not stupid.

To add on to this point: When Vegetto learns about Beers defeating Goku in two blows, he goes HOLY SHIT MUST THROW AWAY MY EVERLASTING PRIDE THAT I'M KNOWN FOR AS A PROUD SAIYAN PRINCE BECAUSE DAMN THIS GUY TOO STRONG. He begs, grovels, dances, does everything in his power to make Beers not blow up the Earth... except fuse with Goku, become the most powerful being in the Universe, and kick some GoD ass?

I didn't mention this because I thought "how would Goku know that Vegeta would throw his pride?", but now that I think again, Goku was watching the whole incident in hopes he would find a way to beat Beerus, so he was aware that Vegeta had already thrown his pride, and he still thought that Super Saiyan God was the only way.