Draken wrote:There's that whole "we don't need one more wish so we can save it and use it in another 4 months" thing too...
If they don't need one more wish so they could save it and use it after 4 months, they don't need Vegetto so they wouldn't be permanently stuck as a single being.
Draken wrote:There's also "Oh, wait, we're in Dragon Ball, where everything contradicts everything!"
DB doesn't contradict itself every chapter.
Draken wrote:BoG has many contradictions but no more than the whole damn series itself.
You may want to check on that.
Draken wrote:It's not secret you don't like BoG since you said it yourself but that seems a little biased to me...
How can I be biased, when it's the contradictions that led me to dislike BOG in the first place?
Draken wrote:Ridiculing other people's theories isn't a very nice approach either. You're saying me, Kaboom, DBZ, and other people's thinking is "nonsense" just because of our separate viewpoint from yours?
When the contradictions are ignored without a good reason, then of course I have something to say about it.
Kaboom wrote:Think of it this way instead. The "history of Z" in question is an out-of-universe history, not in-universe. It means Beerus was the strongest DBZ character introduced by Toriyama/Toei/Whoever to date, at least until Whis' power was revealed afterwards.
That doesn't help your case. Again, if Beerus is in the history of Z (whatever that means), then Whis is too, thus Beerus can't be the strongest in the history of Z.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:hleV wrote:You mean "never imagined such realm existed"?
Same thing.
Not necessarily.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Beerus says that Goku absorbed the "realm" of the form, and Toriyama then says the same thing, but uses the word "power" instead of "realm", and also uses the world "realm" as a synonym of "power".
Akira Toriyama wrote:I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.
AT is not necessarily using "realm" as a synonym to "power". In fact, I don't see how you made that conclusion. First he talks about power, then about realm. They don't have to be the same thing and nothing suggests that they definitely are.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:hleV wrote:Beerus was supposedly stronger (don't know whether Kaio knew of Whis' strength) than anyone else at the time, and could eradicate planets in seconds, of course he's not to be angered...
If Goku had time to train with Kaio in hopes he would turn into a Super Saiyan God, then he had more than enough time to teleport to the Kaioshin Realm, take a Potara pair, find Vegeta, and turn into Vegetto.
But that would be completely out of character. If Goku found out that he can become something called Super Saiyan God, of course he'd try that.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:hleV wrote:Plus, knowing the past, not everyone instantly agrees to fuse, so better to be safe.
You think that Vegeta wouldn't eventually agree? Vegeta cares for Earth, and even more for his family. He wouldn't let Beerus kill everyone just because of his stubbornness. He is stubborn, not stupid.
How did you translate "not everyone instantly agrees to fuse" to "Vegeta wouldn't accept to fuse"? If Beerus was angered, for all we know he could just blow the planet up. And since convincing someone to fuse sometimes takes longer than that, Beerus shouldn't be angered.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:hleV wrote:"Hey, Shenlong can grant more than one wish, remember? Let's use it! No... wait... we're in BOG, where everything contradicts everything. I guess it's okay to not mention Vegetto, because he would destroy the enemies and the movie would be over... It's okay, it's BOG!"
What kind of logic is that? So you can create plot-holes because there are already other plot-holes just to make Vegetto stronger than God Goku, Beerus, and Whis?
The logic is that BOG is shit that made so many contradictions in 90 or so minutes that it's absolutely unreliable. If fusion wasn't mentioned, there could be various reasons other than "it wasn't worth mentioning him because he would be useless".
