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by FNF » Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:41 pm
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:
I think Evil Boo is far stronger than any Super Saiyan 2, but I don't think he's comfortably at the level of a Super Saiyan 3 like Kid Boo. Since he's weaker than the original fatman, who was capable of fighting Super Saiyan 3 Goku to an extent, I don't think he's as strong as Kid Boo.
Actually it's not established if Fat Buu>Pure Evil Buu. Remember how Fat Buu's Ki increased every time he got angry? Well Fat Buu's Ki before splitting could have been on a completely different level than Fat Buu when he fought SSjin3 Goku.
I might revert back to Pure Evil Buu = Pure Buu because it seems to makes sense the most imo.
The main differences between them which are suggested are that Pure Evil Buu is waaaa~y more ruthless but he can't regenerate.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:02 pm
FNF wrote:The main differences between them which are suggested are that Pure Evil Buu is waaaa~y more ruthless but he can't regenerate.
Where was this stated?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by FNF » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:15 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:FNF wrote:The main differences between them which are suggested are that Pure Evil Buu is waaaa~y more ruthless but he can't regenerate.
Where was this stated?
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Bullets bouncing off Buu;
Bullets going into Buu;
IMO Evil Buu laughing in the pic above is to show how he was pleased that he acquired the ability to regenerate via Mr Buu.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:20 pm
Well, we don't know for sure, he may be more durable, but we don't know if he can regenerate if he was turned to little bits.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Fox666 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:20 pm
That's not necessarily regeneration, just the elasticity of the body. The Pure Evil was formed from smoke, so I am tempted to believe he can regenerate. Remember that when a Boo is injuried, normally we actually see guts and perhaps blood, not just that blob.
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by In Brightest Day » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:11 pm
I've got two battles that are kind of a bit different.
Raditz vs. Tenshinhan & Chaozu during the Saiyan arc (theoretically bumped up to the same Power Level that Goku & Piccolo were both at during the Saiyan arc).
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Raditz vs. Kuririn vs. Yamcha during the Saiyan arc (theoretically bumped up to the same Power Level that Goku & Piccolo were at during the Saiyan arc).
Can the four remaining Z-Fighters somehow pull off the upset victory that Goku & Piccolo did in separate teams/scenarios? Note that Gohan is still in the Saiyan pod that Raditz put him in.
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by Saiga » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:28 pm
In Brightest Day wrote:I've got two battles that are kind of a bit different.
Raditz vs. Tenshinhan & Chaozu during the Saiyan arc (theoretically bumped up to the same Power Level that Goku & Piccolo were both at during the Saiyan arc).
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Raditz vs. Kuririn vs. Yamcha during the Saiyan arc (theoretically bumped up to the same Power Level that Goku & Piccolo were at during the Saiyan arc).
Can the four remaining Z-Fighters somehow pull off the upset victory that Goku & Piccolo did in separate teams/scenarios? Note that Gohan is still in the Saiyan pod that Raditz put him in.
Raditz wins both matches. None of the others have techniques like the Makankosappo to kill him. Tenshinhan has the Kikoho but it wouldn't do much.
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by In Brightest Day » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:34 pm
Saiga wrote:Raditz wins both matches. None of the others have techniques like the Makankosappo to kill him.
Well actually, Kuririn has the Kienzan.
Tenshinhan has the Kikoho but it wouldn't do much.
What is there to suggest the Kikoho isn't a gigantic enough boost to take down Raditz?
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by Saiga » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:38 pm
In Brightest Day wrote:
Well actually, Kuririn has the Kienzan.
You sure about that? He showed it off
after the 1 year training. I'm assuming that's when he developed it, so he wouldn't have it.
In Brightest Day wrote:
What is there to suggest the Kikoho isn't a gigantic enough boost to take down Raditz?
The fact that it did nothing against Nappa.
If Nappa was at 4,000, he's about double Tenshinhan's power and it did nothing. If Raditz was at 1,500 he'd be more than triple Tenshinhan (at Goku/Piccolo's level).
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by Fox666 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:31 am
Nappa is incredible durable. Piccolo had almost twice the power of Tenshinhan and was astonished by the Kikoho.
Saiga wrote:You sure about that? He showed it off after the 1 year training. I'm assuming that's when he developed it, so he wouldn't have it.
He said that it would be Kuririn of the saiyan saga except for the battle powers, so he would have the Kienzan.
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by Rocketman » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:04 am
Gohan won't intervene if random people are getting the shit beat out of them.
Krillin and Yamcha might have a chance, but IIRC Tien and Chaozu don't know about the tail weakness.
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by Saiga » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:06 am
Fox666 wrote:Nappa is incredible durable. Piccolo had almost twice the power of Tenshinhan and was astonished by the Kikoho.
It's still a larger gap between Raditz and Tenshinhan than it was between Nappa and Tenshinhan, so I don't think the Kikoho would help.
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He said that it would be Kuririn of the saiyan saga except for the battle powers, so he would have the Kienzan.
I thought when he said Saiyan Saga he meant the same time as the battle with Raditz. If Kurilin has the Kienzan, he's the only one who could win.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:29 am
Rocketman wrote:IIRC Tenshinhan and Chaozu don't know about the tail weakness.
Tenshinhan learned about it in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai during the Goku vs Kuririn match.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by perucho1990 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:19 pm
Cooler vs Goten/Trunks.
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Goten/Trunks fight in base form.
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by Silkman3003 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:57 pm
Which form of Cooler is this?^
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by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:14 pm
If you think the kids are actually not far from #18 in Base, they should win both fights. However, it's a bit tough for me to compare the Base kids to Cooler. I'll just say normal Cooler loses and Shredder Cooler would win.
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by Rocketman » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:22 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Rocketman wrote:IIRC Tenshinhan and Chaozu don't know about the tail weakness.
Tenshinhan learned about it in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai during the Goku vs Kuririn match.
Right, I forgot, but then he also saw it instantly fail. I doubt he'd go for it as quickly as the Krillin-Yamcha team would.
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by Michsi » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:28 pm
Right, I forgot, but then he also saw it instantly fail. I doubt he'd go for it as quickly as the Krillin-Yamcha team would.
Yeah, but Krillin felt it fail. Krillin might dismiss the idea from the get-go, since he knows it hadn't worked before. Since Raditz is supposedly a more advanced fighter than Goku was at the time, he might come to the conclusion that there is no way it could work.
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by perucho1990 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:40 pm
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:If you think the kids are actually not far from #18 in Base, they should win both fights. However, it's a bit tough for me to compare the Base kids to Cooler. I'll just say normal Cooler loses and Shredder Cooler would win.
I meant to say Final Form Cooler, which Goku says that he is stronger than Frieza.
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by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:50 am
Thanks for clarifying.
I'd still go with Cooler.
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