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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō
That's possible. Other namekians I'd be interested to see. Other saiyans would be boring for me though. ^^;
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I agree, it probably isn't a throwaway line.Chuquita wrote:It is tropey, but I can't see any major reason for designing the multiverse the way they did if they don't plan to show at least one or two "counterparts" of the main cast. Why bother with six pairs of "twin universes" at all? Why not just have each universe be a completely different place? I dunno. I could be wrong, but the whole set-up seems so overly complex that it's just got this Chekhov's Gun feel to it, imo.
I think the reason for twin Universes is to create a struggle between our pair and another pair. The reason being, we have something the other pairs haven't; maybe the Dragon Balls(Namekians).
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I'd like to see Katatt's counterpart.
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Then why having Whis and Beerus' counterparts?Noah wrote:I don't think we'll see U6 versions of our characters from the main universe, it would be so cheap IMO
The way it is set-up it is GUARANTEED we will see our characters' counterparts.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō
By having the twin universes, they can do the 2 Earths plot for the Champa arc, they can save time from exploring all 12 universes (no reason to learn a lot about U1 if we have already learned a lot about U12 for example), and they can bring new & strong Namekians, Saiyans, Makaioshins, etc, since there is no room for them to exist in U7 anymore. I don't think we will see alternative counterparts of U7 characters, I think they will just have same planets & races, but different people.Chuquita wrote:It is tropey, but I can't see any major reason for designing the multiverse the way they did if they don't plan to show at least one or two "counterparts" of the main cast. Why bother with six pairs of "twin universes" at all? Why not just have each universe be a completely different place? I dunno. I could be wrong, but the whole set-up seems so overly complex that it's just got this Chekhov's Gun feel to it, imo.
Champa & Vados are not Beerus' & Whis' counterparts, they are siblings, just like Goku & Raditz, Vegeta & Tarble, Gohan & Goten, etc.emperior wrote:Then why having Whis and Beerus' counterparts?
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They referenced each other as "twins" but then referenced the similar universes as "twins" too. Maybe we'll just get the counterparts always identified as "twins".DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Champa & Vados are not Beerus' & Whis' counterparts, they are siblings, just like Goku & Raditz, Vegeta & Tarble, Gohan & Goten, etc.
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Beerus and Champa are stated to be twins. Whis and Vados are just said to be brother and sister, with Vados being the older of the two.
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The thing I'm most curious about is: since they're sets of siblings, which universe did they originate from? Are Beerus/Champa from Universe 7, but Champa just decided to / get recruited to go be the God of Destruction for 6? Are Whis/Vados from any particular universe, or is their race something more grand, born "outside" (so to speak?) the universe designations...?
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Aren't both universes twins ? maybe their not blood related but a mirror of each other.VegettoEX wrote:The thing I'm most curious about is: since they're sets of siblings, which universe did they originate from?
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If we have twin universe, where is the Father universe ?sintzu wrote:Aren't both universe twins ? maybe their not blood related but a mirror of each other.VegettoEX wrote:The thing I'm most curious about is: since they're sets of siblings, which universe did they originate from?
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Someone call Maury stat.Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:If we have twin universe, where is the Father universe ?sintzu wrote:Aren't both universe twins ? maybe their not blood related but a mirror of each other.VegettoEX wrote:The thing I'm most curious about is: since they're sets of siblings, which universe did they originate from?
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No they are blood related. Only Champa and Beerus were revealed to be twins, Vados and Whis were not. Besides you wouldn't call a doppelganger a brother or sister or would you? You'd call it how it is.sintzu wrote:Aren't both universes twins ? maybe their not blood related but a mirror of each other.VegettoEX wrote:The thing I'm most curious about is: since they're sets of siblings, which universe did they originate from?
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I hope no one in Uni 7 also exists in Uni 6. If Earth is so different, every other "twin" race should be different in its own way.
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Peter Parker called Ben Reilly "brother."Baggie_Saiyan wrote:No they are blood related. Only Champa and Beerus were revealed to be twins, Vados and Whis were not. Besides you wouldn't call a doppelganger a brother or sister or would you? You'd call it how it is.sintzu wrote:Aren't both universes twins ? maybe their not blood related but a mirror of each other.VegettoEX wrote:The thing I'm most curious about is: since they're sets of siblings, which universe did they originate from?
In Remember the Titans, that one guy says "can't you see the resemblance? He's my brother," when referring to that other guy.
Fraternity brothers, different brotherhoods, friends that you call brother or sister... The word isn't always referring to a literal blood relation.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō
For what it's worth, I believe Cell referred to Piccolo as his "kyōdai" ("sibling")... but what was being inferred there was pretty clear.
I'd have to go back to the Japanese text here myself, but I get the impression that Beerus/Champa and Whis/Vados are being referred to as actual siblings.
I'd have to go back to the Japanese text here myself, but I get the impression that Beerus/Champa and Whis/Vados are being referred to as actual siblings.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō
Sure okay but they did use the word twin as well to describe Champa and Beerus' siblingism, I think that is stretching the whole "you can call someone brother without being related" thing and the way they acted makes it seems so they're actual siblings. Also didn't Vados say the word sibling directly and not sister?
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I think the Manga was pretty clear, Champa and Beerus are literally twins. Vados and Whis are brother and sister.
If it was the other way around, then Champa would be named Beerus and Vados would be named Whis. That's my thought, I could be totally wrong.
If it was the other way around, then Champa would be named Beerus and Vados would be named Whis. That's my thought, I could be totally wrong.
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Whis and Vados can still be twins, actually. In Japan the first to come out is still the Onee-san/Onii-san.
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But when or how were they even born? Were they created by a higher deity?JulieYBM wrote:Whis and Vados can still be twins, actually. In Japan the first to come out is still the Onee-san/Onii-san.
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Maybe there was a giant peach floating down a river one day and they popped out of it? It could be anything, really.Avery wrote:But when or how were they even born? Were they created by a higher deity?JulieYBM wrote:Whis and Vados can still be twins, actually. In Japan the first to come out is still the Onee-san/Onii-san.
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