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Post by VEGETA_DTX » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:36 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Wow, you can tell how the movie will look from a set photo featuring Chatwin in civilian clothing and just one car?

Will you teach ME how to do that? :P
Yes! gladly! :D
Just close your eyes and say 3 things:
1. this is live action, so it must suck anyway, chances - 99%!

2. It will be a hollywood/20th Fox Century movie, so it will suck definitely, chances - 100%!

3. the cast list is so horrible, even Hollywood surpassed their own retarded profitable, greedy, choice, so it already suck, nothing ever sucked even close to this..

And then just open your eyes and realize that those are just 3 terrible facts! and there are so many of them,like - story?! character look?!? no Krillin!? etc...
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Post by Snail » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:49 pm

What the fuck are you saying? Can you please be a little more logical and explain yourself more specifically. Please? It's a real surprise you're still hanging around this forum.

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Post by Kaboom » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:08 pm

Snail wrote:What the fuck are you saying? Can you please be a little more logical and explain yourself more specifically?
Snail, if I had an eBay account, I'd give you a great deal on the Brooklyn Bridge.


You know, DTX, I was trying to be nice before. But in all honesty, all three of those "reasons" are complete, utter, biased bullshit. You have no basis or evidence to be saying any of those things.

1. WRONG. Plenty of live-action movie adaptations in recent years have been good, if not excellent. Spider-Man, Transformers, X-Men, Batman, etc... You don't have to have liked them if you have some problem with them (*friendly nod to Desire*), but you can't deny that they've been good, successful films.

2. WRONG again. FOX brings terrible movies? Ever heard of Star Wars? If you're referring to the fact that they're doing a live-action version of an anime movie, well then you still have nothing to base that on, as I'm pretty sure DragonBall will be the first anime property that FOX has handled.

3. DEAD WRONG. The cast list so far has been great. Most of them are actors / actresses who look their parts very well, and have some experience, but are relatively unknown. Not completely unknown, but enough so that it won't end up this "Celeb Ball Z" crap you somehow seem to think it will. And just recently, we've got the legendary Chow Yun Fat added to the list! The ONLY choice so far that's a little weird is Chatwin as Goku, yet it's understandable, and judgment on that part should be reserved until we see how well he can act it.

Also, the director is Stephen Chow. He does cheesily-awesome Kung Fu movies. DragonBall is right up his alley. Even if the movie's main goal IS for profit, like EVERY OTHER MOVIE IN EXISTENCE, at least it's got a Director who knows what he's doing with the genre.
VEGETA_DTX wrote:And then just open your eyes and realize that those are just 3 terrible facts! and there are so many of them,like - story?!
"Goku, Bulma, Yamcha, and Roshi go after the Dragon Balls to prevent the
evil Lord Piccolo from using them to gain immortality."

That all just screams "Dragon Ball," whatever way you put it. Goku is a teenager? Yeah, he was about 15 when he fought Piccolo Daimou. No problem there. Piccolo reveals himself and Goku to be aliens? Good, that will condense things a bit and give the sequel better pacing. SSj "news?" They never said it was for THIS movie. "No Kuririn?" Not confirmed yet; they're likely saving him for the sequel, too
VEGETA_DTX wrote:character look?!?
Let's see...

Bulma / Emma Rossum: Hot teenage girl, pretty face, and confirmed to have a blue wig. Check.
Chi-Chi / Jamie Chung: Gorgeous Asian girl, matching Goku's age in appearance, confirmed to have hair appropriately stylized. Check.
Yamcha / Joon Park: Handsome but slightly goofy-looking Asian dude, with good physique. Check.
Mai / Eriko Tamura: Lovely Asian lady, also confirmed to have hair appropriately stylized. Check.
Piccolo / James Marsters: Tough, blocky-looking face. In shape, too. We can't know for sure how he'll turn out until we see him made up as Piccolo, but DAMN, does this guy ever know how to play villains!

...And finally, Son Goku / Justin Chatwin (the one everyone's whining about): Well, what can I say? I'll start with one thing: THE HAIR. For crying out loud, stop bitching about the stupid hair. There's NO way that his hair would end up the same shape and proportions as Goku. This is a professionally-produced, big-budget, live-action Hollywood movie, not some cheesy cosplay. To respectfully channel Corey for a moment, you're an idiot if you think they'd even try to make Goku's hair the exact same as in the manga. The way they've seemed to make Chatwin's natural hair scraggly and spiked is more than adequate. But we can't even fairly judge that until we've seen something better than cellphone camera-quality pics of him just arriving on the set.

Next... Yeah, I'd have liked an Asian dude to be cast as Goku, too. We do know that the director wanted to cast more Asians, but wasn't allowed for some reason. That seems to indicate that he DOES care about portraying the characters faithfully and true to the original. If that's the case, then I sincerely doubt that he wouldn't try to find someone who could portray the part well, not just some random schmuck off the streets. Chatwin will do fine as Goku. Goku's technically not Asian, so his actor doesn't HAVE to be, either.


DTX, that last post of yours was a topper, really. Your most pathetic, ignorant, and biased one yet. I'm just going to ignore any "point" you try to make, before my IQ gets chopped in half just from talking to you. If you want to get off this "black list," start making sense.

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:16 pm

Well I think that an Asian person shouldn't be cast for Goku, or any other alien characters because...how do we know that they're Asian? Maybe Saiyans don't look like Asians. Huh? Huh? lol Maybe Namekians don't have Asian eyes either. Huh huh? But I think that everyone's forgetting that DB/Z/GT doesn't take place in Asia. The world is really weird in the series and to say that they're all Asians wouldn't be all that accurate because we really don't know.

And I personally don't care about how they look. Fine, I know it's impossible to get the hair right. I mean no offense to anyone, but when I see an Asian person with long spiky hair that resembles Goku, I want to laugh at them. I saw an Asian on the train with his hair dyed blond, it was longish, but he spiked it up, AND he combed strands down over his face. I kept laughing at the thought for the rest of the day. I don't care about the looks, or anything like that. My main thing is... since it is impossible to make Dragon Ball live action, and it IS! Why even try it? Why not make the same movie they're planning with different names and instead of Dragon Balls, use something else?

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Post by Victator Supreme » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:37 pm

1. WRONG. Plenty of live-action movie adaptations in recent years have been good, if not excellent. Spider-Man, Transformers, X-Men, Batman, etc... You don't have to have liked them if you have some problem with them (*friendly nod to Desire*), but you can't deny that they've been good, successful films.
The X-Men movies were fucking awful. They made some money, but you know doesn't orevent it from sucking.

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Post by Kaboom » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:48 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:The X-Men movies were fucking awful. They made some money, but you know doesn't orevent it from sucking.
Okay, I'll admit they were probably the weakest of the ones I mentioned. I haven't seen X3, and I thought X2 wasn't very good, but I liked the first one.
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Post by JAPPO » Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:00 pm

SSj Kaboom, you are my new hero. We should delete every other post except for yours and lock this thread with your posts.

I'm serious.
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Post by VEGETA_DTX » Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:41 pm

@SSj Kaboom,
Well I tried to learn you, but as you can see, you have your opinion.

Also You never tried to be nice, All you just do to me is flaming and calling me and my posts like "idiot", "bullshit" etc.."
That all just screams "Dragon Ball," whatever way you put it
Really?! to me it sounds like "WE ARE ALL FAT GREEDY BASTARDS! WE NEED MONEY! AND WE MUST TAKE IT BEFORE DBZ POPULARITY FADES AWAY!!!"
There's NO way that his hair would end up the same shape and proportions as Goku
Oooooh yeeesss! you are sooooo rignt!
and THAT IS one of the reasons why this crap shouldn't be made!
This is a professionally-produced, big-budget, live-action Hollywood movie, not some cheesy cosplay
If some kid who don't know what Hollwyood movies & cosplay are, would see this, it would probably think something like this:

"aham...so - professionally-produced, big-budget, live-action Hollywood movie is something with solid effects, stupid repetitive trivial and boring story and with characters that don't even remind on original characters.
And cheesy cosplay is something which does not have story nor special effects at all... but at least characters reminds on original ones! Yaaaay that means me wanna go on Cosplay daddy!! That Hollywoodo-dodo-diarrhea shit sucks! me wants cooosplayyy"
Goku's technically not Asian, so his actor doesn't HAVE to be, either.
Yes I agree, I never said it should be.
Goku IS NOT Asian, BUT NOT AMERICAN SCHOOL BOY EITHER, HE IS A SAIYAN!!!
DBZ World IS NOT this world! DBZ is world for himself, even continents are absolutely different! everything is different!
And if they show any sign of THIS world in movie, than that is one more BIIIIG reason why they(SHOULD BURN IN HELL!!!) shouldn't make this movie.
DTX, that last post of yours was a topper, really. Your most pathetic, ignorant, and biased one yet. I'm just going to ignore any "point" you try to make, before my IQ gets chopped in half just from talking to you. If you want to get off this "black list," start making sense.
Wow! your IQ chops down when you read painful truth and pessimistic posts?! wow so judging by the logic, I would recommend you to read SSj Kaboom's posts, they are really stupid and full of false-optimism, I bet it would help you a lot!

And, Mwahahaa :twisted: I don't know what means that "black list" of yours, but if you fall on MY BLACK LIST, you are fucked up! I PROMISE YOU!!!
So cut telling me all those words, and at least respect my opinion, I don't like nor understand your opinion neither , but at least I don't call you and your posts, "pathetic", "ignorant" etc...
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Post by Sedorna » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:00 pm

Really?! to me it sounds like "WE ARE ALL FAT GREEDY BASTARDS! WE NEED MONEY! AND WE MUST TAKE IT BEFORE DBZ POPULARITY FADES AWAY!!!"
Honestly, DBZ's popularity already has faded away. Sure, there are still some video games, but I'd wager that Naruto is more popular than DBZ is at this moment.
There's NO way that his hair would end up the same shape and proportions as Goku
Oooooh yeeesss! you are sooooo rignt!
and THAT IS one of the reasons why this crap shouldn't be made!
Goku's hair is *impossible* to do. No matter how realistically you mold it, there is one aspect that really can't be done, and that's the fact that Goku's hair faces the same direction his face does.

(I guess you could do it, but redoing Justin's hair every single time he turns his head would be, well, kinda dumb.)

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Post by Kaboom » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:01 pm

Fine then, DTX.

Prove it.

Prove to me that this movie is going to be terrible. Prove to me that Dragon Ball can't be reasonably adapted into live-action. Prove to me that my optimism is unjustified. PROVE to me that this will be a steaming pile of crap and ruin the franchise like you say it will. Prove to me that the people behind this movie are the greedy corporate bastards you say they are, looking for nothing more than to ruin popular, long-running franchises to line their own pockets. Prove to me that what you've been trolling about has any merit to it whatsoever.

I don't mean just yell the same thing you've been yelling back and forth. To this date, you've not shown one bit of evidence to support your argument that the movie will be terrible.

I, on the other hand, presented plenty little bits of info that suggest the movie will be at least watchable. You've apparently completely ignored them, and certainly haven't offered any evidence to the contrary.

So go ahead and provide some "evidence." Show me some list of movies by Stephen Chow that have been international bombs. Show me video clips of how awful the actors are. Or at least show me something other than the same inane, baseless nonsense you've been screaming since you got here.
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Post by Sedorna » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:34 pm

On a somewhat light note, who here is interested in seeing the Japanese dub of this movie? I just think'll be kinda fun hearing the original cast doing the voices for the American movie.

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Post by VEGETA_DTX » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:39 pm

@Sedorna
You are righ.
Well DBZ is probably most known anime, but it is not most popular for sure, those two words are not the same, at least on my national language :D
So I do agree that naruto is waay more popular than DBZ, and I am aware that there are many newbie otakus who hate DBZ...
Goku's hair is *impossible* to do. No matter how realistically you mold it, there is one aspect that really can't be done, and that's the fact that Goku's hair faces the same direction his face does.
Yes that is right, but that was from DB to about 42 episode of DBZ, and after that, TOEI improved animation and take that seriously.
Though still, in every 5th episode, that "mistake" repeats again, but that's because that group of animators did every 5th episode, which btw were terribly animated and drawn, at least for my taste...

Trust me, I am really one big fanatic freak about visual side of DBZ.

So I would say Goku's hair is like in Budokai or Tenkaichi...they really did great job about it.

@SSj Kaboom,
Well I do admit that I can not prove some things, and I can just bitch about them because I predict them to be bad.
But I don't see how this movie can turn good TO ME, with this cast list and this story?
Maybe it is theoretically possible, if Chatwin accidentally falls down the mountain and his face and body becomes so crushed that he becomes sharp edged and bulked up and his eyes become like triangles, nose smaller and spiker, and than his hair somehow grow and than they made it like Goku's +he becomes cool dude, which only job is not just to be in center of cameras and who is not gay/near celebrity idiot...
And then that process should repeat for every one of characters...

+ They change story or leave rest to Japanese, like effects digital masks etc...

But isn't that all little bit impossible? :D

That is the only way I would accept this movie.
So do you really think it can be GOOD to ME?
Show me video clips of how awful the actors are
For this I can give you a true proof, but I am not sure our definitions of "awful" are the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMty8QOLurE - here he is not even talking about DB but who cares, point is that he looks awful to play Goku.
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Post by Chuquita » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:42 pm

Sedorna wrote:
Really?! to me it sounds like "WE ARE ALL FAT GREEDY BASTARDS! WE NEED MONEY! AND WE MUST TAKE IT BEFORE DBZ POPULARITY FADES AWAY!!!"
Honestly, DBZ's popularity already has faded away. Sure, there are still some video games, but I'd wager that Naruto is more popular than DBZ is at this moment.
There's NO way that his hair would end up the same shape and proportions as Goku
Oooooh yeeesss! you are sooooo rignt!
and THAT IS one of the reasons why this crap shouldn't be made!
Goku's hair is *impossible* to do. No matter how realistically you mold it, there is one aspect that really can't be done, and that's the fact that Goku's hair faces the same direction his face does.

(I guess you could do it, but redoing Justin's hair every single time he turns his head would be, well, kinda dumb.)

One of the reasons I love Goku's crazy hair is because it's impossible. Toriyama designed hair that breaks the laws of BOTH 3-D and 2-D physics. :mrgreen:


I tried twice to get into Naruto (once on my own, a 2nd time maybe four months later because half my friends got into it) and I failed for multiple reasons that are unimportant to this post.
But yes, that show is all the rage on DA and elsewhere, I'm surprised that FOX or some other company didn't pick that series to adapt to live-action.


And yet oddly enough I was able to get into One Piece on my own really easily. Though I am ridiculously behind.


I think I'm optimistic about almost every casting choice BUT Goku.
Everyone else I have no problems with. :3
You'll have to show me a trailer before I can believe that Chatwin can pull it off.
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Post by TripleRach » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:48 pm

Stephen Chow is not the director. James Wong is the director, while Chow is just a producer. In fact, I believe Chow specifically said that he only directs movies if he creates the story, though I'm not sure if that means he would if he'd written the script, or if he just plain doesn't direct adaptations.
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Post by Victator Supreme » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:05 pm

So I do agree that naruto is waay more popular than DBZ, and I am aware that there are many newbie otakus who hate DBZ...


Hmm what was the highest selling anime dvd this year?

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Post by Kaboom » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:18 pm

VEGETA_DTX wrote:Maybe it is theoretically possible, if Chatwin accidentally falls down the mountain and his face and body becomes so crushed that he becomes sharp edged and bulked up and his eyes become like triangles, nose smaller and spiker, and than his hair somehow grow and than they made it like Goku's +he becomes cool dude, which only job is not just to be in center of cameras and who is not gay/near celebrity idiot...
And then that process should repeat for every one of characters...

+ They change story or leave rest to Japanese, like effects digital masks etc...

But isn't that all little bit impossible? :D

That is the only way I would accept this movie.
Then you have unrealistic and ridiculous expectations.
For this I can give you a true proof, but I am not sure our definitions of "awful" are the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMty8QOLurE
So Chatwin can't speak much, if any Japanese. He did seem to be trying his best though. So long as he can manage to pronounce "Kamehameha" half-way correctly, that shouldn't a problem.
That shows nothing about his acting talent, or how well he portrays Goku. That's just the same useless picture of him we've had for the last week or so.
TripleRach wrote:Stephen Chow is not the director. James Wong is the director, while Chow is just a producer.
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Post by VEGETA_DTX » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:28 pm

So Chatwin can't speak much, if any Japanese. He did seem to be trying his best though. So long as he can manage to pronounce "Kamehameha" half-way correctly, that shouldn't a problem.
LOOK at him man!
Every second girl have wider sholders than him, and he should act Goku?
Look whole thing!
I mean, the guy like this, after him girls scream "eeeeeeek!"... and he is ating Goku!?
That is more than unacceptable to me! I even refuse to believe this is reality...
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Post by NeptuneKai » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:30 pm

VEGETA_DTX wrote:
So Chatwin can't speak much, if any Japanese. He did seem to be trying his best though. So long as he can manage to pronounce "Kamehameha" half-way correctly, that shouldn't a problem.
LOOK at him man!
Every second girl have wider sholders than him, and he should act Goku?
Look whole thing!
I mean, the guy like this, after him girls scream "eeeeeeek!"... and he is ating Goku!?
That is more than unacceptable to me! I even refuse to believe this is reality...
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Post by Kaboom » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:32 pm

VEGETA_DTX wrote:LOOK at him man!
Every second girl have wider shoulders than him, and he should act Goku?
Look whole thing!
I mean, the guy like this, after him girls scream "eeeeeeek!"... and he is ating Goku!?
Wait, what? I don't get what you're trying to say. Are you saying because he's got fangirls that he shouldn't be in the movie? Everyone who's done any kind of public work will have fangirls. I have fangirls, to a degree.
I even refuse to believe this is reality...
Then stop posting.
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Post by JAPPO » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:45 pm

VEGETA_DTX wrote:
So Chatwin can't speak much, if any Japanese. He did seem to be trying his best though. So long as he can manage to pronounce "Kamehameha" half-way correctly, that shouldn't a problem.
LOOK at him man!
Every second girl have wider sholders than him, and he should act Goku?
Look whole thing!
I mean, the guy like this, after him girls scream "eeeeeeek!"... and he is ating Goku!?
That is more than unacceptable to me! I even refuse to believe this is reality...
Dude, I know you from liveactionanime.net. You bitch about shit that is impossible to know until we at least see a video clip or better yet a trailer.

Justin Chatwin may very well SUCK, but no one knows yet!
James Marsters will do a decent job and he may even do an amazing job!
The other actors are unknowns and I have no idea if they will work or not!

Please... I beg of you... stop bitching until we get some actual pictures and videos... not just some lame set photos that reveal nothing at all.
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