Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[sintzu]

That one. Clearly coming from someone who we could label a "Vegeta" Fanboy, it's pretty lame to use that label on anyone else like you aren't a fanboy.

What did I say that doesn't make sense ? That was the question.

And yes I'm a fanboy but that wasn't the point,you can be a fanboy and still know what you're talking about.

[dbzfan7]

That one. Clearly coming from someone who we could label a "Vegeta" Fanboy, it's pretty lame to use that label on anyone else like you aren't a fanboy.

What did I say that doesn't make sense ? That was the question.

I never said didn't make sense, I said I dick around when I see people apply claims that could be applied to themselves. Labeling others as fanboys, when you yourself fall into similar tropes, is unbecoming.

This is what I said

No I dick around when I see claims that can easily be applied to one's self. Or in other words. Hello pot, meet kettle.

The statement relates to hypocrisy, not lack of sense.

[VyeRo]

*Sigh*

As much fun as that last blog post was, I am not really feeling Vegeta's obsessiveness towards surpassing Goku (again). He is supposed to be over this. It 's like they have never seen the end of Buu/end of Z and instead gave him the same personality he had in the Android/Cell arc. So much for growth.

Hopefully it is just a friendly rivalry and he's saying this because they are both busy trying to outdo each other in Whis' class.

I at least expected some "Good, now *I* can kill the bastard!" from Vegeta. Oh well.

[sintzu]

The statement relates to hypocrisy, not lack of sense.

I wasn't talking about being a fan boy cause I'm one,I was talking about the lack of common sense.

[sintzu]

Hopefully it is just a friendly rivalry.

I at least expected some "Good, now *I* can kill the bastard!" from Vegeta. Oh well.

If we go by the 2008 OVA and BOG then it's safe to say it is.

We did get that but in a polite way :

"I’m more than enough to handle the likes of him!"

[dbzfan7]

The statement relates to hypocrisy, not lack of sense.

I wasn't talking about being a fan boy cause I'm one,I was talking about the lack of common sense.

Which isn't a good thing. No one should really be one, nor label others as such. Especially since the term is more or less tainted. It's also a shot at people with their own views, with those kind of statements coming off like they are irrational. Yes there are some irrational ones out there, but I have yet to see any true fanboyish comments. The main one coming from those miffed about the near GT like character use we may be approaching.

[sintzu]

Which isn't a good thing. No one should really be one, nor label others as such. Especially since the term is more or less tainted.

Yes there are some irrational ones out there, but I have yet to see any true fanboyish comments.

I don't mean it in a bad way.

Go to the Youtube comment section and you'll know what I'm talking about.

[TheGmGoken]

Wait so Vegeta is going crazy over Goku AGAIN!? I understand it's a one sided feud but damn. Exactly what I predicted. Can we have ONE new db material that

- Doesn't have Vegeta crazy about Goku
- Doesn't have some new evolution or form
- Have Goku actually care about Vegeta's feud.

Only The 2008 ova did these things. Least Goku was feuding with Vegeta too. Vegeta just turnt into Broly but with character. I expect next movie or the ending of the movie to say "Kakarot... You're the Best!". The only good that came out of that fun interview was Vegeta basically TRASHING Freeza. He broke the 4th wall twice and is now going to the 12th wall.

[Hugo Boss]

Vegeta's attitude was a lot like his Pre-Majin self. I expected him to be more like "Hm what Freeza is up to?" or " If Kakarrot is going to train with some god, I guess I can also keep up with it". I mean, it's not that I hate old Vegeta, but I'm more interested in his new mindframe.

[sintzu]

Only The 2008 ova did these things. Least Goku was feuding with Vegeta too.

With them training together then it's 100% guaranteed he'll be feuding with him.

Vegeta's attitude was a lot like his Pre-Majin self.

His personality is always going to be like this but unlike before it's not full of hatred.

[TheGmGoken]

Only The 2008 ova did these things. Least Goku was feuding with Vegeta too.

With them training together then it's 100% guaranteed he'll be feuding with him.

Vegeta's attitude was a lot like his Pre-Majin self.

His personality is always going to be like this but unlike before it's not full of hatred.

Just like it was 100% guaranteed that goku was feuding with Vegeta when Goku gave that speech to spare Vegeta?

I'll buy it when I see it

[Dayspring]

Anyway, why you say that Goku never saw Cell as his adversary? In which facts you're basing on this? The only reason Goku give up it is because he wasn't strong enough to beat Cell unlike Gohan that he was counting on his hidden powers.

Goku checked with Karin to see if he'd be strong enough to defeat Cell on his own. Karin says no. Goku then very visibly does NOT return into the room of spirit and time to become stronger. Goku then gives Cell a senzu because he sees the match as a friendly fight, not a life-threatening battle. Piccolo even calls Goku out on the fact that he went into the Cell Games knowing full well that he'd be relying on Gohan, but never let Gohan in on this fact.

And no... Cell has Saiyan genes also he smarter like Freeza he wouldn't be an idiot to fight Goku and other knowing he is no capable yet, so yes... He would train and he's training would be even more effective than the Saiyans and Freeza together. Because of course he has both genes.

NOBODY IS SAYING CELL DOESN'T HAVE SAIYAN OR FREEZA'S GENETICS.

The manga very clearly shows that he doesn't train. He gets stronger by absorbing people. The manga also shows that he self-destructs if it looks like he can't win. Goku would have spared his life for the same reason he spared Piccolo's, Vegeta's and tried to spare Freeza's. Cell could have come back as a good-guy rival just like everybody other than Freeza had, but his motivations are fundamentally different.

His motivations are based on his programming, which is why he follows them to the T. His goals are to obtain the perfect form and then test its strength out. If he finds out its strength isn't enough, then he tries to destroy whatever is stronger than him by self-destructing because he literally has no reason to live.

There's no much tension between Goku and Cell right, more with Gohan... But it would be interesting anyway. And no, all that Freeza's training seems like something coming out from nowhere and I not going bitch about this I just hope the movie itself explain that with the all the details because it's not something that you easily accept, if all the mysteries around Freeza's race are explained, I will be very satisfied.

For what it's worth, the impression I got is that his training is for being able to become strong enough to transform again. The trailers show him fighting at less than 100% against Goku's non-SSJ form. We've already seen that his transformations are ridiculously random and powerful. His first transformation about doubles his strength. His next one is less than 3x stronger and his final form is over 40x stronger.

Also, the difference between Freeza and Cell's strength doesn't matter. It doesn't make it any less believable for to reach his goals in four months, it just means it would take Cell less time to achieve the same goal under the same training methods.

[Dyno]

Vegeta can handle the likes of Freeza if this movie is all about him. If it turns out to be another Kakarot's movie, then Vegeta... I have bad news for you, my friend.

[Chuquita]

I think Vegeta might be posturing when it comes to Gokû here. He's being standoffish because he doesn't feel comfortable in a buddy-buddy role, so he's relying on being all 'hmph' instead.

[Dyno]

Vegeta's last line (and curious that it is the last line of the original series) is him saying that he will surpasses Kakarot someday soon. His attitude now is just being "connected/leading" to this.

[SaiyanZ]

Considering his power boost in the last movie, I don't mind Vegeta again wanting to surpass Goku. He's a Saiyan after all, he likes his fighting, so I have no problem

[RandomGuy96]

For what it's worth, the impression I got is that his training is for being able to become strong enough to transform again. The trailers show him fighting at less than 100% against Goku's non-SSJ form. We've already seen that his transformations are ridiculously random and powerful. His first transformation about doubles his strength. His next one is less than 3x stronger and his final form is over 40x stronger.

For the last time, his transformations are irrelevant. His final form is his true form. The others were created by him to suppress his power, so they're as powerful he wants them to be.

Anyway, those seem to imply that Vegeta will be very boring.

[Tennessaiyan]

If Vegeta's attitude in that last blog isn't just a "generic Vegeta" being used to promote the movie, and that attitude actually ends up applied to the movie, then this will be... interesting.

If surpassing Kakarot is prioritized over dealing with Frieza, this makes me believe that this will end with disappointment for Vegeta, ultimately becoming a "overcoming one's self" kind of movie. So, yes, I've still got my money on this being a Vegeta-focused movie. Not just due to the way the manga title page was constructed (with him and Frieza face to face) but especially due to the way BOG was handled. While Vegeta wasn't the "hero" or even "main character" in BOG, he still ended up with more screen time than Goku, and (for me at least) he just seemed like a more "relevant" character to the story, considering Beerus' history with the Saiyans, and Vegeta's flashback... not sure if that makes sense, but that's just how I felt about the story.

But as far as the "Vegeta's psyche is his own enemy" kind of theory, one could make the argument that he put that aside after his "you're the best" speech in the Buu saga, but while he has accepted the facts, he is still obsessed with getting stronger (as he was training during his wife's birthday party) and he clearly did state at the tail end of BOG that he surely surpassed Kakarott (briefly) during his rage boost moment.

I just hope this doesn't end as a repeat of Majin Vegeta, like: "I don't need Kakarot, I can beat Majin Buu all by myself." = "I don't need Kakarot, I can beat Frieza all by myself." Because Vegeta's comentary on Bulma's blog sure sounded reminiscent of that. I'm not expecting a repeat of the same-old same-old, though. Toriyama never recycles stories and I have absolutely zero doubt that this story will be awesome and will leave me a very satisfied Vegeta fan either way.

[sintzu]

If it turns out to be another Kakarot's movie.

Based on everything we know it won't be.

[Tennessaiyan]

I think Vegeta might be posturing when it comes to Gokû here. He's being standoffish because he doesn't feel comfortable in a buddy-buddy role, so he's relying on being all 'hmph' instead.

Haha, yes, that would be classic Vegeta. After a second read-through of the last blog, your "posturing" notion makes a lot more sense compared to the "I don't care about Frieza" attitude Vegeta was portraying. I can see his attitude changing once he's face to face with Frieza on the battlefield.