Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Saiga]

Since Pan can't turn into a Super Saiyan yet, I'm assuming she's not a tailless hybrid and just had hers removed.

But Pan isn't hybrid. She is 1/4 Saiyan, not 1/2 Saiyan.

Isn't that still a hybrid? I didn't think they had to be 50-50.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Since Pan can't turn into a Super Saiyan yet, I'm assuming she's not a tailless hybrid and just had hers removed.

But Pan isn't hybrid. She is 1/4 Saiyan, not 1/2 Saiyan.

Isn't that still a hybrid? I didn't think they had to be 50-50.

Either way, the Daizenshuu was talking about the 50-50 hybrids.

[Rocketman]

Since Pan can't turn into a Super Saiyan yet, I'm assuming she's not a tailless hybrid and just had hers removed.

But Pan isn't hybrid. She is 1/4 Saiyan, not 1/2 Saiyan.

Any being that was created by mixing two distinct things is a hybrid. The child of a hybrid is also a hybrid.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Since Pan can't turn into a Super Saiyan yet, I'm assuming she's not a tailless hybrid and just had hers removed.

But Pan isn't hybrid. She is 1/4 Saiyan, not 1/2 Saiyan.

Any being that was created by mixing two distinct things is a hybrid. The child of a hybrid is also a hybrid.

Oh, I see. Still, the Daizenshuu was only talking about the 1/2 Saiyan hybrids, since it called them Saiyan Halflings. Besides, wasn't it confirmed that Pan was born without a trail? I remember reading this on her profile from Budokai Tenkaichi 3, I don't know if it was said anywhere else.

[shonenhikada]

DBZ multiverse has so many flaws in its plot I can't list them all.

[TonyTheTiger]

The only power related plot point in DBM that bothers me is how powerful King Cold seems to be. Pan being able to get a few nice shots in on Kakarot is hardly an issue.

[shonenhikada]

The only power related plot point in DBM that bothers me is how powerful King Cold seems to be. Pan being able to get a few nice shots in on Kakarot is hardly an issue.

Explain to me why the F. Kaio-shins would think Freeza is a universal threat ?

Why south supreme kai is having trouble with fat buu ?

Why is Tien's tri beam weaker than a generic ki blast from goku ?

[TonyTheTiger]

Explain to me why the F. Kaio-shins would think Freeza is a universal threat ?

That's a problem with the source material and the constant oneupmanship. It's clear that Freeza was intended as a universal threat at one point in the story.

Why south supreme kai is having trouble with fat buu ?

Why wouldn't he?

Why is Tenshinhan's tri beam weaker than a generic ki blast from goku ?

When was it shown to be?

[shonenhikada]

Explain to me why the F. Kaio-shins would think Freeza is a universal threat ?

That's a problem with the source material and the constant oneupmanship. It's clear that Freeza was intended as a universal threat at one point in the story.

Why south supreme kai is having trouble with fat buu ?

Why wouldn't he?

Why is Tenshinhan's tri beam weaker than a generic ki blast from goku ?

When was it shown to be?

1. Freeza is not a universal threat he's just an evil planetary trader who is fodder to any of the supreme kais.

2. South Supreme kai ~ Kid Buu >> Fat Buu

3. Raditz invades earth and goku didn't bump his head story its recent

[Saiga]

2. South Supreme kai ~ Kid Buu >> Fat Buu

That's pure speculation.

[shonenhikada]

2. South Supreme kai ~ Kid Buu >> Fat Buu

That's pure speculation.

http://youtu.be/B37HSoPYnWE

[Fox666]

However that's not in the manga, so I don't know if the author would take it in consideration.

[shonenhikada]

However that's not in the manga, so I don't know if the author would take it in consideration.

It still more cannon that multiverse.So they should at least use the anime as second source material and take it under consideration when doing stories.

[Saiga]

However that's not in the manga, so I don't know if the author would take it in consideration.

It still more cannon that multiverse.So they should at least use the anime as second source material and take it under consideration when doing stories.

Why should he? Salagir has stated that he's basing it off the manga, he doesn't need to use the anime at all if he doesn't want to.

[shonenhikada]

However that's not in the manga, so I don't know if the author would take it in consideration.

It still more cannon that multiverse.So they should at least use the anime as second source material and take it under consideration when doing stories.

Why should he? Salagir has stated that he's basing it off the manga, he doesn't need to use the anime at all if he doesn't want to.

Yet the manga gives no indication of South supreme kai strength so in short he just wings it, and places him based on how he feels, rather than using a secondary cannon source that gives indication of his strength, except that he's the strongest of the kais, and is comparable to buu.

[Saiga]

Yet the manga gives no indication of South supreme kai strength so in short he just wings it, and places him based on how he feels, rather than using a secondary cannon source that gives indication of his strength.

Yes, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Since the manga gives no indication and he's not using the anime, he can put S. Kaioshin as strong as he wants him to be.

[rereboy]

The only power related plot point in DBM that bothers me is how powerful King Cold seems to be. Pan being able to get a few nice shots in on Kakarot is hardly an issue.

I agree with you.

1. Freeza is not a universal threat he's just an evil planetary trader who is fodder to any of the supreme kais.

2. South Supreme kai ~ Kid Buu >> Fat Buu

3. Raditz invades earth and goku didn't bump his head story its recent

1. The Kaioshins are simply more active in preventing threats in some universes. In the universes where they stopped Freeza, they also stopped Buu from being born. That didn't happen in the main universe. So, its not Freeza that is different in those universes, its the Kaioshins.

2. Please... Everybody knows that the Buu saga has many problems regarding the interpretations of the power levels. Nothing of the sort is ever confirmed in the manga and multiple interpretations are possible. DBM uses a coherent interpretation for the power levels and that's fine. There are many things wrong in basing your opinion in the anime, btw. One of those is that in the anime it was said (by the narrator I believe) that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. In the manga that isn't stated at all. It was only implied that he was the most dangerous due to his evil and chaotic nature. As for his power, Goku is more afraid of fighting Super Buu than he is of Kid Buu. That alone shows why we shouldn't go by the anime.

3. I see, so a Tenshinhan from a totally different universe than the main one and a Kakarotto from a totally different universe than the main one, and even though it wasn't shown exactly how the two compare or what happened before that moment, you know exactly how they should compare. Awesome.

[Saiga]

I also agree that Cold's strength bothers me. It really doesn't gel with the manga.

[funrush]

I also agree that Cold's strength bothers me. It really doesn't gel with the manga.

It does to me. I like the aspect of Cold not being in his final form while fighting Trunks. I like to think that the reason Cold didn't transform while fighting Trunks was that Cold assumed Trunks wasn't stupid, unlike Freeza to Vegeta and the others, and that if he started a transformation, Trunks would probably kill him right then and there while in the state of vulnerability the transformations probably give. Unfortunately, he wasn't much smarter then his son, and instead of outsmarting Trunks to his death, he decides to rely on his "Sword = Strength" theory, which was his downfall.

[Saiga]

I also agree that Cold's strength bothers me. It really doesn't gel with the manga.

It does to me. I like the aspect of Cold not being in his final form while fighting Trunks. I like to think that the reason Cold didn't transform while fighting Trunks was that Cold assumed Trunks wasn't stupid, unlike Freeza to Vegeta and the others, and that if he started a transformation, Trunks would probably kill him right then and there while in the state of vulnerability the transformations probably give. Unfortunately, he wasn't much smarter then his son, and instead of outsmarting Trunks to his death, he decides to rely on his "Sword = Strength" theory, which was his downfall.

Cold admits that Freeza is stronger then him. It just doesn't work.

Even then the sword strategy was clearly desperate, and way stupider than attempting to transform while Freeza was being killed.