The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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I'm in the same boat as both RandomGuy and Zombie. Goku and Cold are pretty much identical in raw power, but Goku claims victory as a much better fighter. Just having a tactical advantage like ki-sensing is probably enough to secure the win for him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Goku VS 18.
How do you think Goku would have fared against 18 if he didnt have to deal with the heart virus?
How do you think Goku would have fared against 18 if he didnt have to deal with the heart virus?
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Chapter: 365 (DBZ 171), P14.3KentalSSJ6 wrote:Goku VS 18.
How do you think Goku would have fared against 18 if he didnt have to deal with the heart virus?
Context: when asked if he’ll fight the androids
Goku: “Don’t worry…I won’t fight them yet…After all, if even Vegeta couldn’t beat them as he is now, then I can’t beat them either…”
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Goku AND Vegeta vs. 18; I'm pretty sure 17 mentioned she couldnt handle all the jobbers at once.
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Goku and Vegeta should win. 17 said that Vegeta and Piccolo alone would be too much for 18 (and the humans, but they can't do shit). Replace Piccolo with Goku and their victory is all but assured.Kid Buu wrote:Goku AND Vegeta vs. 18; I'm pretty sure 17 mentioned she couldnt handle all the jobbers at once.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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If we take the Goku vs Paikuhan fight from the anime into account, Super Kaio-ken (x2?) can only last for a few seconds. I usually don't take anime-only things as facts for the manga, but I'll take that one.hleV wrote:I think the fact that Goku never used a 10x KK (which he could easily do against Freeza, without much strain on his body) as a SS (after he mastered the form to feel like it's his normal state) pretty much blows the theory of KK getting ki out of nowhere away.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Beginning of DBZ Weighted Goku vs 23rd Budokai Goku
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23rd Budokai Goku takes this easily.
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Black (Battle Jacket) vs Taopaipai
Black (Battle Jacket) vs Artificial Human #8
Black (Battle Jacket) vs Pilaf Robot (merged)
Black (Battle Jacket) vs Artificial Human #8
Black (Battle Jacket) vs Pilaf Robot (merged)
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Gohan vs Dabura
If the fight when on..who would have won..
If the fight when on..who would have won..
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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The can of worms opens again, and sadly I must ask a question that opens another can.dbzfan7 wrote:Gohan vs Dabura
If the fight when on..who would have won..
Whats the general consensus on Gohan's form in the fight? Is he SSJ1, or SSJ2?
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SS Gohan (yes, Super Saiyan) had an advantage in power, but because of his rusty skills, the fight went evenly (that's what Vegeta implied). Gohan required some time to turn into a SS2, as we saw in the tournament, so if Gohan was to try to turn into a SS2, then he wouldn't succeed in doing because Dabra wouldn't give him his time, except if Dabra had gotten so arrogant to go "try anything you want trash, you will never defeat me!". So, if Gohan can't turn into a SS2, then his only hope would be a rage boost, which would turn him into SS2 in a second.dbzfan7 wrote:Gohan vs Dabura
If the fight when on..who would have won..
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Sorry..I forgot about that..I just mean if their fight went on that they were currently having...whether he was SSJ/2 is irrelevant. Just the current levels they fought at.KentalSSJ6 wrote:The can of worms opens again, and sadly I must ask a question that opens another can.dbzfan7 wrote:Gohan vs Dabura
If the fight when on..who would have won..
Whats the general consensus on Gohan's form in the fight? Is he SSJ1, or SSJ2?
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Gohan seemed incapable of coming up with a proper battle strategy and Dabra seemed more crafty, despite his apparent power disadvantage, so I'm gonna go with the King of the Demon Realm here.
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If Gohan manages to pull out Super Saiyan 2 somehow, then he wins pretty easily, rusty skills or not. Otherwise Dabra eventually outmaneuvers Gohan and wins.
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Not many people responded to this, so posting it again.Kid Buu wrote:Piccolo Vs Nappa 1-1.
Nappa will allow Piccolo to use ONE Senzu Bean whenever he wants.
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Piccolo's only hope is tricking Nappa into taking the Makankosappo head-on. Otherwise Nappa should be able to beat down Piccolo pretty comfortably, even after letting him restore his energy.
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- I have Black (with that robot) only 1 point higher than Arale, so he wins against her (eventually) and #8. Losses to Taopaipai.
- While Gohan has a small power advantage, Dabura is the better fighter. Gohan needs SSJ2 to win.
- Piccolo losses unless he fools Nappa into a Makankosappo or something.
- While Gohan has a small power advantage, Dabura is the better fighter. Gohan needs SSJ2 to win.
- Piccolo losses unless he fools Nappa into a Makankosappo or something.
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Nappa's too much of a burly damage sponge to be taken down by someone weaker than him, even if the opponent's power level isn't too far below his (Pic's 3500 Vs Nappa's 4000-4500). So I'll jump on the "Makankosappo or bust" answer train too.
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Nappa was willing to take Kienzen head on, I wouldn't be surprised if he took the Makankosappo head on.
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