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Re: MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 5/9/16!

Post by Kid Buu » Mon May 09, 2016 8:02 pm

Celebrating Piccolo day by reviewing an arc that takes place on his home planet?

Honestly, I know everyone loves Vegeta and Freeza but I wouldn't have minded if this arc just stayed a pure adventure arc with just Krillin/Gohan/Bulma. Oh well.

What I'm saying is that yes, I do like Fake Namek
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Mon May 09, 2016 8:06 pm

It's Goku Day, sorry.
Great stuff, as always. But i will say that while it's presented well, all this exposition is boring to me, mostly because it comes after lengthy epic battle with the Saiyans, especially in the anime the pacing is painful. Fake Namek doesn't help at all, although i have a soft spot for that part because of nostalgia.

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Post by coola » Tue May 10, 2016 9:07 am

Great dissection as always, i admit i never questioned why Popo didn't use carpet to teleport Goku. And if Yajirobe did eat sensu beans, he saved world once again, had Goku went to Namek with Gohan and the others, they would be screwed, even if Goku beat Dodoria and Zarbon and Guru unlocked his hidden potential, it could be enough to maybe beat Captain Ginyu, but not Freeza, if he didn't trained, even 10X Kaio-Ken would be too much for his body.
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Re: MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 5/9/16!

Post by matt0044 » Sat May 14, 2016 10:05 pm

soppa saia people wrote:"Talks about bad exposition" Shows Cell arc
Foreshadowing ?
That's something the Anime tweaked for the better. While Cell does exposite, we see flashbacks to visualize the information we're getting.

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Post by Kuririn Fan » Sun May 15, 2016 1:47 am

matt0044 wrote:
soppa saia people wrote:"Talks about bad exposition" Shows Cell arc
Foreshadowing ?
That's something the Anime tweaked for the better. While Cell does exposite, we see flashbacks to visualize the information we're getting.
That doesn't change anything, lol, it's still bad exposition.

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Post by Captain Space » Sun May 15, 2016 6:45 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:That doesn't change anything, lol, it's still bad exposition.
I mean, they were working with what they had, which was a bad exposition scene. They at least made the effort to give the viewer something to look at to try and mitigate it.
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Post by matt0044 » Fri May 20, 2016 12:10 pm

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Kuririn Fan wrote:That doesn't change anything, lol, it's still bad exposition.
I mean, they were working with what they had, which was a bad exposition scene. They at least made the effort to give the viewer something to look at to try and mitigate it.
Exactly. Better to show more than just tell if nothing else. The same goes for the Mind Power Ki scene where we see Trunks' dystopian future as he explains Future Bulma's plan.

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Post by Kuririn Fan » Fri May 20, 2016 1:27 pm

matt0044 wrote:
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Kuririn Fan wrote:That doesn't change anything, lol, it's still bad exposition.
I mean, they were working with what they had, which was a bad exposition scene. They at least made the effort to give the viewer something to look at to try and mitigate it.
Exactly. Better to show more than just tell if nothing else. The same goes for the Mind Power Ki scene where we see Trunks' dystopian future as he explains Future Bulma's plan.
Love that scene.

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Post by matt0044 » Sat May 21, 2016 4:14 pm

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Captain Space wrote:I mean, they were working with what they had, which was a bad exposition scene. They at least made the effort to give the viewer something to look at to try and mitigate it.
Exactly. Better to show more than just tell if nothing else. The same goes for the Mind Power Ki scene where we see Trunks' dystopian future as he explains Future Bulma's plan.
Love that scene.
I think the Kai version of the Cell saga is my preferred iteration where there's filler that's kept but a lot of it is trimmed down so it doesn't drag out like back in the old Z Anime.

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Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat May 21, 2016 4:29 pm

I prefer Z, nothing beats Kikuchi and Z voice acting. If i want fillerless experience, i'll just read the manga.

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Post by matt0044 » Mon May 23, 2016 10:24 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:I prefer Z, nothing beats Kikuchi and Z voice acting. If i want fillerless experience, i'll just read the manga.
I think Kai strikes a better balance with the filler/Anime-exclusive material. Plus, as far as the English dubs are concerned, Kai has the best one.

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Post by Kuririn Fan » Tue May 24, 2016 2:29 pm

matt0044 wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:I prefer Z, nothing beats Kikuchi and Z voice acting. If i want fillerless experience, i'll just read the manga.
I think Kai strikes a better balance with the filler/Anime-exclusive material. Plus, as far as the English dubs are concerned, Kai has the best one.
There is always the manga for fillerless experience. The redrawn scenes look like shit, music and voice acting is better in Z. I don't care about Eng dub, i only watch the original Japanese version.

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:48 am

Dragon Ball Dissection: The Freeza Arc Part 2!

Happy 50th episode! Thanks, everybody, who has followed the series for all this time!

Unfortunately, for some reason, I can no longer edit the first post of this thread to add this to the master list or give the update date.
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Post by Nejishiki » Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:02 am

Ajay had a similar problem with his Animation Catalog thread just yesterday. Maybe something within the forums changed because that can't be a coincidence.

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Post by Kuririn Fan » Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:30 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:Dragon Ball Dissection: The Freeza Arc Part 2!

Happy 50th episode! Thanks, everybody, who has followed the series for all this time!

Unfortunately, for some reason, I can no longer edit the first post of this thread to add this to the master list or give the update date.
Fuck, didn't expect this! New video - new like from me <3

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:55 am

How exactly can Vegeta's line about being the strongest in the universe be dismissed as bragging when he wasn't actually speaking to anyone in particular? He was thinking to himself. Seems like an explicit contradiction.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Kid Buu » Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:29 am

What's interesting Saiyan Saga Oozaru Vegeta was actually stronger than all of Freeza's henchmen (18,000 x 10 = 180,000*, compared to Captain Ginyu's 120,000). Is that the only time the big bad of the previous arc remains stronger than all the sub-bosses of the next arc?

(Granted, Vegeta was a bit weakened when he transformed, but I imagine Oozaru Vegeta would still be quite powerful compared to the Namek sub-bosses).
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:38 am

Kid Buu wrote:What's interesting Saiyan Saga Oozaru Vegeta was actually stronger than all of Freeza's henchmen (18,000 x 10 = 180,000*, compared to Captain Ginyu's 120,000). Is that the only time the big bad of the previous arc remains stronger than all the sub-bosses of the next arc?

(Granted, Vegeta was a bit weakened when he transformed, but I imagine Oozaru Vegeta would still be quite powerful compared to the Namek sub-bosses).
Cell was stronger than all of Babidi's henchmen. Pui Pui was weaker than base Goku, Yakon was on the same level as base Goku, Dabra was said to be about as strong as Cell but still was tied with SS/SS2 Gohan, while Cell was more or less tied with a stronger SS2 Gohan. Babidi is said to have significant magical powers, but Piccolo is still able to easily deal with him. Cell is even implied to be stronger than Buu's initial state, as SS2 Vegeta basically lulz at him and Gohan states he can handle Buu if he taps into "my true power", implied to be what he used against Cell (Buu quickly powers up though).

If you count anime-only arcs, there's a couple more examples. Freeza was much, much stronger than Garlic Jr and his gang. Cell was the strongest of the villains who tried to do a prison break and stronger than everyone in the Afterlife Tournament except Pikkon. The only notable participants besides Pikkon were Goku (still weaker than Cell at this point), Olibu (who was still weaker than base Goku), and Maraikoh (similar story to Olibu).
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Kid Buu » Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:45 am

Yeah, I thought about that, but wasn't sure if I'd put Dabura under Cell or not, but you raise some good points. Also yeah, there's more example of it in the animeverse.

Oh, and Daimao would be stronger than Cyborg Tao, who'd be the only non-big bad villain in the 23rd Budokai arc. Though he's not really Ma Junior's henchman, so I'm not sure if that would count.
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