"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Doctor.]

Yes, a bunch of foreign fans, who aren't the target audience and are watching the series illegally to begin with, will surely make a difference. They don't care.

Your last response was pretentious. You could have said: "A large majority of the fans don't care... IN JAPAN" and I couldn't say nothing against with, I just saw some complaints on Twitter by japanese fans, don't know how they reacted in overall

But the question is: Dragon Ball is not only Japan like One Piece, Dragon Ball is worldwide and that's proofs Toei lack of vision about showing resistance to give the rights of DBS to the occident yet, they could profit a lot more.

I'm not being pretentious, I'm being realistic. A few adult fans complaining won't do much considering a very, very large majority of the fanbase, both in Japan and internationally, is composed of kids. And kids don't care about animation as much as we do.

[FortuneSSJ]

A few adult fans complaining won't do much considering a very, very large majority of the fanbase, both in Japan and internationally, is composed of kids. And kids don't care about animation as much as we do.

I wonder about that. All people that I saw talking about their theatre BOG/ROF experience, said there were more teens/adults than kids there. I doubt kids rule this fanbase nowadays, since the kids back then grew up and the new generation doesn't make much noise.

Maybe in Japan since DB Heroes plays a key factor there, but not worlwide.

[Noah]

I'm not being pretentious, I'm being realistic. A few adult fans complaining won't do much considering a very, very large majority of the fanbase, both in Japan and internationally, is composed of kids. And kids don't care about animation as much as we do.

Well, I'm not saying that we could do something really, we can complain here, complain there, whatever... My point was just that you said that a majority of fans don't care about the mess made in Episode 5 and that's not the truth, I saw a lot of complains not a few, and just as FortuneSSJ said:

They fixed Saint Seiya and Sailor Moon Crystal, but not Dragon Ball?!
I just wanted a normal episode 5 without "animation collapse".

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The new Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya were not series developed for TV. They were web series. I've been saying since the beginning that that makes them entirely different beasts, and that we shouldn't expect corrections.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The new Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya were not series developed for TV. They were web series. I've been saying since the beginning that that makes them entirely different beasts, and that we shouldn't expect corrections.

Right not to mention SMC's episode schedule was fairly irregular, and only 24-26 episodes, Super is close to hitting that and we are no way near done.

[Draconic]

Can't say I am surprised. Dissapointed as hell, but expected it. For me, that episode is the only major problem with Super and really want it fixed at some point. I'm not even hating the episode, I thought content wise it was really decent. Just wish that all the nonsense about the whole series being bad based on only half an episode would stop. (not to say people don't have valid complaints about it, but one episode is not part of them)

[DBZ_Lee]

I am disappointed that Toei aren't fixing the episode. It is a shame, as it is the only blemish for me as the other 19 have been perfectly fine. Truth be told, we don't know how lucky we are, as One Piece has been very, very poorly animated right the way throughout the Dressrosa Arc at times.

And with One Piece being the no.1 best selling manga in Japan, it goes to show just how little Toei care about the Anime's presentation. It is the same problem for all Toei's weekly Anime shows - the schedules are tight, and time is of the essence, and you're going to get episodes which look poorly animated in comparison to others.

So, I'm hoping that Super episode #5 remains to be a small blip on what has been otherwise, a perfectly fine looking series this far.

[LightBing]

I think we could all agree that the first half of episode 5 was unacceptable. A work of that quality would be rejected if we delivered it at any job or school, it's not professional.
People who are more informed about the vicious schedules animators suffer could let it go; it happens, let's not dwell on it.
However, because they didn't correct the error for the release is a complete lack of respect to fans and consumers. How can we be lenient, if they don't show the minimum effort to fix things that should be fixed.
Not to say the series is badly animate with all the attached hyperbole, comparing it with other studios is also a void point, it's Toei. When I go to Burger King, I know what I'm gonna get.
So really what saddens me is the lack of care.

[JulieYBM]

Toei Animation could correct Episode #5 or they could focus on the next thing, which will actually make them more money.

[Noah]

I wonder if FUNI will have something with Episode #5, when they get the license.

[JulieYBM]

I wonder if FUNI will have something with Episode #5, when they get the license.

The average episode costs $100,000 or so to produce. Even footing that much would still be too little to convince Toei Animation to drop what they're doing, reassign staff and let that staff work on another take on the episode.

[TripleRach]

The new Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya were not series developed for TV. They were web series. I've been saying since the beginning that that makes them entirely different beasts, and that we shouldn't expect corrections.

Right not to mention SMC's episode schedule was fairly irregular, and only 24-26 episodes, Super is close to hitting that and we are no way near done.

As web series of popular older properties, they seemed to be aimed at the nostalgia crowd. And for a shorter series, every episode matters more as far as home video sales go.

But Super is clearly a mass market children's TV show, where home video sales are usually less of a priority. It could potentially last for years if it's popular enough, but even at one year of weekly episodes #5 will just be a drop in the bucket in the end.

Not that I don't think it's disappointing, but I can understand why they wouldn't bother. People tend to buy home video because they like something enough to spend money on it. I would imagine that most people who like Super enough to drop ￥12,000 on it have already come to terms with Episode 5's flaws, if they were even bothered by it in the first place.

[ArchedThunder]

Being the first fight in the series I won't be surprised if many people stop watching the show because of the bad impression it gives.
Being the first fight in the series AND being the worst looking episode by a large margine are why I think it's important for them to fix that episode for international releases.

[Noah]

Being the first fight in the series I won't be surprised if many people stop watching the show because of the bad impression it gives.
Being the first fight in the series AND being the worst looking episode by a large margine are why I think it's important for them to fix that episode for international releases.

That's exactly what I feel about this, I can't imagine that they are not going to fix this episode for internal releases

[LuckyCat]

It's kind of an odd situation though, because a high-budget movie version of the fight exists. I can see why throwing more resources onto it at this point would be a low priority.

[EXBadguy]

Sooo...I hear that the Resurrection "F" saga is filler now!

[ekrolo2]

Sooo...I hear that the Resurrection "F" saga is filler now!

You mean the movie wasn't?!

[EXBadguy]

Sooo...I hear that the Resurrection "F" saga is filler now!

You mean the movie wasn't?!

I'd figure if a saga ain't in the manga, but it is in the anime, it's filler, right? The RF saga wasn't in the manga, so it ain't cannon. For me personally, I don't really care about this cannon/non-cannon crap, but I still won't put the RF saga in my "personal" canon.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The Golden Freeza material is mentioned in the manga, it just isn't shown. If you're going to start cutting out things that are mentioned but aren't shown, then there was no cataclysm on Namek, there was no original Super Saiyan, etc. But, that's not how it works...

[DBZ_Lee]

For those still aggrieved at Toei's decision to not "fix" Super Episode 5 (I admit, I am not too happy about it, either) don't feel too bad, as we One Piece fans have had far more to put up with in terms of poor animation during the Dressrosa Arc.

Head over to that link below, and scroll down. Seriously, Toei do not care about presentation, especially with a weekly anime, which requires a lot of hard work on a grueling schedule.

http://oen-peice.tumblr.com/

I'm sure that the "poorly animated" episodes will be in the extreme minority over the course of the Series, all the other episodes up to now have been perfectly fine in my opinion.

On a separate note, I wonder how long Toei expect Super to last?. I hope they don't just finish the Universe 6 Arc and call it a day. I assume that as long as Toriyama-Sensei is happy to continue providing them with Story drafts & character designs, alongside strong viewing figures & merchandise sales, they'll continue on?.