"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

Time to update this.
The increase to 45 pages is the final nail on the coffin that the manga has evolved into more than just a promotional tool. Now it only puts out less 15 pages per month than the original manga did on average, 45 against 60.

Freeza Saga:
Manga - 37 chapters
Anime - 33 episodes
1,12/1

Android Saga:
Manga - 20 chapters
Anime - 13 episodes
1,53/1

Cell Games Saga:
Manga - 32 chapters
Anime - 28 episodes
1,14/1

Fusion Saga:
Manga - 23 chapters
Anime - 21 episodes
1,09/1

Future Trunks Arc: Note that each chapter has 39 pages compared to the 13-15 of the original manga. Because of that I count each Super chapter as 2,5 chapters of the original manga.*
Manga - 20 chapters (8) Still Going.
Anime - 19 episodes
1,05/1 (Since we're getting at least one more chapter, this stat at a minimum will be 1,18/1)

* Last chapter had 45 pages, don't know if it's the new normal or an exception.

[TheUltimateNinja]

How do you think Zamasu will be beaten?

[Xeztin]

Time to update this.
The increase to 45 pages is the final nail on the coffin that the manga has evolved into more than just a promotional tool. Now it only puts out less 15 pages per month than the original manga did on average, 45 against 60.

Freeza Saga:
Manga - 37 chapters
Anime - 33 episodes
1,12/1

Android Saga:
Manga - 20 chapters
Anime - 13 episodes
1,53/1

Cell Games Saga:
Manga - 32 chapters
Anime - 28 episodes
1,14/1

Fusion Saga:
Manga - 23 chapters
Anime - 21 episodes
1,09/1

Future Trunks Arc: Note that each chapter has 39 pages compared to the 13-15 of the original manga. Because of that I count each Super chapter as 2,5 chapters of the original manga.*
Manga - 20 chapters (8) Still Going.
Anime - 19 episodes
1,05/1 (Since we're getting at least one more chapter, this stat at a minimum will be 1,18/1)

* Last chapter had 45 pages, don't know if it's the new normal or an exception.

Since Toyotaro has some chapters drawn out of the Universe Survival arc, I wonder if he may go weekly for this arc? Would be awesome!! Toyotaro has proven he could do it in my opinion.

[Freeza9000]

How do you think Zamasu will be beaten?

Zen'o......

[TheUltimateNinja]

How do you think Zamasu will be beaten?

Zen'o......

I mean before that, what's gonna make him lose his physical form?

[LightBing]

How do you think Zamasu will be beaten?

Assuming Mr.Toriyama didn't specify, I think we'll see another homage from Toyotarõ. Imagine any of the grand villain kills and put a twist on it ala Toyotarõ. My bet is on a Vegeta/Goku/Trunks beam attack with support from Kaioshin, based on Cell's death.

Since Toyotaro has some chapters drawn out of the Universe Survival arc, I wonder if he may go weekly for this arc? Would be awesome!! Toyotaro has proven he could do it in my opinion.

Well, he would need to change magazine to do that. I honestly don't see it happening; 45 pages for month is already excellent and maybe better than going weekly. I fear his art might suffer with such a hectic schedule.

What I really want to see is him giving us the RoF arc eventually.

[The gr]

How do you think Zamasu will be beaten?

Assuming Mr.Toriyama didn't specify, I think we'll see another homage from Toyotarõ. Imagine any of the grand villain kills and put a twist on it ala Toyotarõ. My bet is on a Vegeta/Goku/Trunks beam attack with support from Kaioshin, based on Cell's death.

Since Toyotaro has some chapters drawn out of the Universe Survival arc, I wonder if he may go weekly for this arc? Would be awesome!! Toyotaro has proven he could do it in my opinion.

Well, he would need to change magazine to do that. I honestly don't see it happening; 45 pages for month is already excellent and maybe better than going weekly. I fear his art might suffer with such a hectic schedule.

What I really want to see is him giving us the RoF arc eventually.

Toyotaro is never going to do the resurrection of f ,like why waste your time on it,I'll guarantee the universe survival will start in may,if the April and march issue has 45 pages or unless it will start in June

[Freeza9000]

How do you think Zamasu will be beaten?

Zen'o......

I mean before that, what's gonna make him lose his physical form?

Toyotaro may go the same direction with the Genki Dama but make it more believable than the anime. Or have Vegetto do it.

[KameNinja45]

Zen'o......

I mean before that, what's gonna make him lose his physical form?

Toyotaro may go the same direction with the Genki Dama but make it more believable than the anime. Or have Vegetto do it.

Since I was so dissatisfied with the anime's ending, I thought of a bunch of different ways in which it could've ended. Here's the way with the Genki-Dama (no Vegito):
At some point, Shin realises that it's futile to try and defeat Merged Zamasu normally. Thus, he proposes the idea of the Genki-Dama to Goku. Goku protests, saying that there's no way that a mere Genki-Dama could defeat a titan like Zamasu, when Gowasu comes up with an idea. Using his Time Ring, he opens up the timespace portal between their timeline and the future timeline, allowing people from the main timeline to contribute their Genki. While Trunks and Vegeta hold Zamasu off, Goku starts building the Genki-Dama, with the voluntary Genki of the future Earth's inhabitants and present Earth's inhabitants. Hell, make some of U6 fighters contribute their Genki, like Hitto and Cabba. Maybe even have Beerus pitch in. Once the Genki-Dama is finally built, Goku tries to bring it down on Zamasu, only for the fused Kaio to knock Goku down, to the point of near-death. Zamasu tries to finish off Goku, only for Trunks to intervene. Zamasu tries to kill him, but, like Trunks did to Goku, Vegeta steps in and fights Zamasu. As he's getting beaten down, Vegeta reminds Trunks of who he's fighting for, and tells him to absorb the Genki-Dama. Then things proceed in the same way as the anime- Trunks absorbs the Genki-Dama, turns it into a sword, and slices Zamasu in half, right through his dyeck.
Not perfect, but better than what we got.

[mfwlegend3]

One reason why I don't see Toyotaro's art being on equal terms with Toriyama in his prime are panels like these.
[spoiler]


[/spoiler]
No disrespect to Toyotaro as an artist, as his art is also beautifully done.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yes & no, Toriyama screwed up first. Toyotaro contradicts what was originally said in the manga, but the manga later contradicted itself, and Toyotaro is consistent with that...

How so? Black didn't met Goku in the present after all.

That's not what I'm talking about.

In the manga, Trunks went back 20 years to the past in order to give Goku the medicine, and after 8 months of recharging the Time Machine in the future, he went back 17 years to the past and fought against the Artificial Humans & Cell along with Goku & co.

However, the manga later contradicted this. In the Trunks The Story special, it is said that Trunks went 17 years back to the past in order to give Goku the medicine, not 20 years.

Now, the Super manga established that if the settings of the Time Machine are changed, they wouldn't be able to travel into a parallel world. So, this is consistent with what was later said in the manga (Trunks first went 17 years back, and always traveled 17 years back), but it's inconsistent with what was originally said (Trunks first went back 20 years, then all the other times he went back 17 years).

[Duo]

I don't think there's a single person who expected the manga to draw things out this much, but by no means do I consider it to be a bad thing. The 45 page count is great news.

The timeline syncing details aren't troubling (I think it existed in fanon anyway), but I'd love to know how in the world Bulma knows the connection is weakening.

[mfwlegend3]

Was the change in eyeliner really necessary? He looked better without it.

Even Toriyama's design didn't have the eyeliner.
[spoiler]
The SS design was edited by a fan, but that's more or less what it probably would've looked like.[/spoiler]

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Can we all just get out of the way that the eye-shading is not a big deal? It's really annoying to hear that complaint mindlessly parroted when it's a common way of annunciating malicious expressions, especially in comics.

[kinisking]

Was the change in eyeliner really necessary? He looked better without it.

Even Toriyama's design didn't have the eyeliner.
[spoiler]
The SS design was edited by a fan, but that's more or less what it probably would've looked like.[/spoiler]

I totally forgot that he didn't have the eye liner in base form before. Toyo added it when he went super Saiyan and never went back for whatever reason. I personally think it fits SS and SSR really well. I'm neutral when it comes to base form.

[mfwlegend3]

I personally think it fits SS and SSR really well. I'm neutral when it comes to base form.

I thought that it fit Rose and SS well too, but at the same time, I really don't think it's necessary.

[Noah]

In the manga, Trunks went back 20 years to the past in order to give Goku the medicine, and after 8 months of recharging the Time Machine in the future, he went back 17 years to the past and fought against the Artificial Humans & Cell along with Goku & co.

However, the manga later contradicted this. In the Trunks The Story special, it is said that Trunks went 17 years back to the past in order to give Goku the medicine, not 20 years.

Now, the Super manga established that if the settings of the Time Machine are changed, they wouldn't be able to travel into a parallel world. So, this is consistent with what was later said in the manga (Trunks first went 17 years back, and always traveled 17 years back), but it's inconsistent with what was originally said (Trunks first went back 20 years, then all the other times he went back 17 years).

So the whole issue is with the 3 years difference not the 8 months necessary to recharge the machine?

[spoiler][/spoiler]
Well we'll never hear Trunks (or anyone for that matter) say this in the anime.

Sadly true.

The best thing ever would be mixing both the anime and manga, taking the best out of both. If such a thing really happened, this arc would have potential to be Top 3 out of every story arc of the franchise.

I wouldn't go that far, but this arc truly had the potential to one of the most memorable of the franchise, too bad they didn't exploited better.

[spoiler]Freeza Saga:
Manga - 37 chapters
Anime - 33 episodes
1,12/1

Android Saga:
Manga - 20 chapters
Anime - 13 episodes
1,53/1

Cell Games Saga:
Manga - 32 chapters
Anime - 28 episodes
1,14/1

Fusion Saga:
Manga - 23 chapters
Anime - 21 episodes
1,09/1[/spoiler]

I suppose you're ignoring some stuff? Cause Freeza, Cell and Boo arcs had 67, 76, 91 episodes respectively in the anime. Also Future Trunks arc had 21 episodes not 19 in the anime.

[Freeza9000]

[spoiler]Freeza Saga:
Manga - 37 chapters
Anime - 33 episodes
1,12/1

Android Saga:
Manga - 20 chapters
Anime - 13 episodes
1,53/1

Cell Games Saga:
Manga - 32 chapters
Anime - 28 episodes
1,14/1

Fusion Saga:
Manga - 23 chapters
Anime - 21 episodes
1,09/1[/spoiler]

I suppose you're ignoring some stuff? Cause Freeza, Cell and Boo arcs had 67, 76, 91 episodes respectively in the anime. Also Future Trunks arc had 21 episodes not 19 in the anime.

If we are going by 21, you are counting that same episode where Goku was fighting Copy Vegeta and Future Trunks running at the end of the episode?

[Cipher]

Toyotaro's explanation for the time machine's mechanics is probably the bit of super-fan-specific material that has made me the happiest in the manga so far, though I would be remiss if I didn't point out that it doesn't mesh with more time apparently having passed in the present than in Trunks' future between his two visits in the Cell arc. It also can't apply to the anime, in which the gang use Cell's time machine this arc.

I like the bigger roles for Gowasu and Kaioshin in the manga, and Goku's personality remains much better represented, but I can't help but feel the anime pulled off more pathos with the deaths of the remaining Earthlings, even if pulling in two named kids and Future Yajirobe to do so might be fairly criticized as being a bit saccharine (still, why wouldn't Trunks and Mai have relationships with the other survivors in their timeline?). Given that played a fairly big role in how successful I thought the end of the arc was, I'm interested in seeing where Toyotaro takes it from here.

[LightBing]

I suppose you're ignoring some stuff? Cause Freeza, Cell and Boo arcs had 67, 76, 91 episodes respectively in the anime. Also Future Trunks arc had 21 episodes not 19 in the anime.

I'm counting sagas, not the whole arcs. Super's arcs aren't big enough to compare to Z's arcs. Future Trunks Arc is 20 episodes, thanks for noticing the mistake.