Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

Okay, how the fuck are they going to beat Black in the manga? Because apparently his multipliers are just as high as the heroes', so he should be thousands of times stronger than them. Even Vegetto wouldn't stand a chance. Also, SSJ2 Vegeta apparently has a several thousand fold multiplier now.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Nothing implies that Rose gives the same multiplier as Blue despite it being the same form. This isn't any different from the anime. Base Black was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, yet Rose Black wasn't that much stronger than Blue Goku and Vegeta.

[DBZ Macky]

Okay, how the fuck are they going to beat Black in the manga? Because apparently his multipliers are just as high as the heroes', so he should be thousands of times stronger than them. Even Vegetto wouldn't stand a chance. Also, SSJ2 Vegeta apparently has a several thousand fold multiplier now.

They might scare the shit outta him with the Mafuuba and then bring in Zen-Oh to defeat Merged Zamasu.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Nothing implies that Rose gives the same multiplier as Blue despite it being the same form. This isn't any different from the anime. Base Black was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, yet Rose Black wasn't that much stronger than Blue Goku and Vegeta.

In the anime that can be explained by the 2 base theory. And in the manga Zamasu says that SSRose is stronger than SSGod, so it must have the same multiplier as Blue. Even if you assume it's only slightly stronger than SSGod, SSGod Goku was much stronger than 10% SSBlue Vegeta so SSRose is half of SSBlue at least.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

There isn't anything supporting the existence of the 2 base theory, so it's moot. It doesn't matter if it "explains" it. It doesn't exist.

Rose Black was on the same general level as Blue Goku and Vegeta despite having a base form hundreds of times stronger. SSJR multiplier=/=SSB multiplier.

[Marlowe89]

But yeah all it would need is some comment about how Gohan had got back the power that he used to have in the Buu saga and then prove somehow to be stronger than Goku for sure to reinforce this retcon theory.

That isn't going to change anything. You'll still have the same specific people claiming that Gohan is just god level now or something.

[DBZ Macky]

There isn't anything supporting the existence of the 2 base theory, so it's moot. It doesn't matter if it "explains" it. It doesn't exist.
Rose Black was on the same general level as Blue Goku and Vegeta despite having a base form hundreds of times stronger. SSJR multiplier=/=SSB multiplier.

OFFICIAL PROOF/ INDICATIONS OF THE 2 BASE THEORY
1. Goku wasn't stated to have absorbed God's power in the Manga, while he was in the Anime. This would create a HUGE difference between the Manga and Anime's power scale. So Goku and Vegeta essentially have 2 different power levels for the same story.
2. Strikes me as odd if Beerus was impressed by SSG Goku and allegedly "regretted provoking him", yet, after Goku absorbs God's power in base and goes Super Saiyan Blue on top of that and then multiplies his power ten-fold and is yet still weaker than Beerus.
3. Vegeta called Cabba a weakling, I don't think he'd do that if Cabba was stronger than SSG.
4. Frost says he's just a weakling who cheats to win, yet he is stronger than SSG?
5. U6 is U7's twin, yet all the U6 fighters are dozens of times stronger than SSG while Goku and co, were only SS3 tier at best until recently?
6. The RoF Manga shows Goku accessing the powers of God as a silhouette of SSG appears behind him.
7. We actually OFFICIALLY have "Saiyan Beyond God" as a separate form in DB Heroes, so the theory definitely has official basis.
8. Goku and Vegeta are actually shown to have accessed (Blue) God Ki in one of the episodes.

Do you really want them to come out and explain this shit directly? Are the implications not enough?

[Bullza]

You're skipping the part where Beerus hit Goku to 'punished' him, which only knocked the air out of Goku. Beerus only had to lightly tapped Super Saiyan 3 Goku to floor him and he wasn't half as serious.

That might not mean anything though after all he was scratched by a bullet in the same episode.

No the main point would be that if Gohan gets back his Mystic powers that he apparently lost then it would mean that probably throughout all of Dragonball super he was weaker than he was in the Buu Saga.

And if Goku shown to be roughly on par with Gohan in a recent episode it would also suggest that he too was weaker than Mystic Gohan as it would seem in the manga.

[HeroR]

There isn't anything supporting the existence of the 2 base theory, so it's moot. It doesn't matter if it "explains" it. It doesn't exist.
Rose Black was on the same general level as Blue Goku and Vegeta despite having a base form hundreds of times stronger. SSJR multiplier=/=SSB multiplier.

OFFICIAL PROOF/ INDICATIONS OF THE 2 BASE THEORY
1. Goku wasn't stated to have absorbed God's power in the Manga, while he was in the Anime. This would create a HUGE difference between the Manga and Anime's power scale. So Goku and Vegeta essentially have 2 different power levels for the same story.
2. Strikes me as odd if Beerus was impressed by SSG Goku and allegedly "regretted provoking him", yet, after Goku absorbs God's power in base and goes Super Saiyan Blue on top of that and then multiplies his power ten-fold and is yet still weaker than Beerus.
3. Vegeta called Cabba a weakling, I don't think he'd do that if Cabba was stronger than SSG.
4. Frost says he's just a weakling who cheats to win, yet he is stronger than SSG?
5. U6 is U7's twin, yet all the U6 fighters are dozens of times stronger than SSG while Goku and co, were only SS3 tier at best until recently?
6. The RoF Manga shows Goku accessing the powers of God as a silhouette of SSG appears behind him.
7. We actually OFFICIALLY have "Saiyan Beyond God" as a separate form in DB Heroes, so the theory definitely has official basis.
8. Goku and Vegeta are actually shown to have accessed (Blue) God Ki in one of the episodes.

Do you really want them to come out and explain this shit directly? Are the implications not enough?

1) What happened in the manga has no effect on the anime. They follow the same basic outline and then go in their own directions, just like Super Saiyan God reappearing in the manga, but never again in the anime.

2) Beerus also claimed to be using his full power, only for Whis to casual revealed that he was lying.

3) Vegeta was impressed by Cabba's base form being even with him and only called him a weakling after it was revealed he didn't have Super Saiyan. After that, he did everything in his power to piss him off so he would transformed.

4) Frost never called himself a weakling. He said that when he's overwhelmed, he used tricks to win.

5) They are twins, but doesn't mean they follow the same power scale. We have the U6 Saiyans who specifically evolved differently from the U7 Saiyans, not even having tails.

6) The manga doesn't connect to the anime. Even in the movie, that was closer to Toriyama's original script than the manga, we never saw base form Goku in the frame of Super Saiyan God.

7) Are we really using Heroes as a basics? Not even Xenoverse uses this and they used everything else from Heroes including Super Saiyan 3 Bardock.

it has been stated several times that Goku and Vegeta's ki can be sensed in their base, but not at all in their god forms. So their base forms never had god ki. Trunks has a blue aura too and Super Saiyan Rage isn't a confirmed god form.

The two base-theory has a lot of holes so this.

You're skipping the part where Beerus hit Goku to 'punished' him, which only knocked the air out of Goku. Beerus only had to lightly tapped Super Saiyan 3 Goku to floor him and he wasn't half as serious.

That might not mean anything though after all he was scratched by a bullet in the same episode.

No the main point would be that if Gohan gets back his Mystic powers that he apparently lost then it would mean that probably throughout all of Dragonball super he was weaker than he was in the Buu Saga.

And if Goku shown to be roughly on par with Gohan in a recent episode it would also suggest that he too was weaker than Mystic Gohan as it would seem in the manga.

So? Goku called himself getting rusty, meaning that Goku is a little weaker and still took a punched by Beerus. If he was only as strong as was as his Super Saiyan 3 self in the Buu Saga, Beerus should have knocked him out just by poking him.

As far as we know, he could be stronger than his Ultimate self from the Buu Saga even as a basic Super Saiyan, especially since even in the Resurrection 'F' Saga, Super Saiyan Gohan was comparable to his Ultimate form in the Buu Saga. His Ultimate form isn't a transformation, after all. It's all his hidden power unleashed. Since he's older, he should have more power compared to what he had during the Buu Saga.

We don't know where Goku's base form is at in the manga. It's all assumption that Goku's base form is super weak.

[TheUltimateNinja]

There isn't anything supporting the existence of the 2 base theory, so it's moot. It doesn't matter if it "explains" it. It doesn't exist.

Rose Black was on the same general level as Blue Goku and Vegeta despite having a base form hundreds of times stronger. SSJR multiplier=/=SSB multiplier.

SSRose is confirmed to be stronger than SSGod which is far above 10% of SSBlue, and Black's base is far above SSJ3. I don't see how SSRose ends up anywhere close to SSBlue in the manga.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

There isn't anything supporting the existence of the 2 base theory, so it's moot. It doesn't matter if it "explains" it. It doesn't exist.
Rose Black was on the same general level as Blue Goku and Vegeta despite having a base form hundreds of times stronger. SSJR multiplier=/=SSB multiplier.

OFFICIAL PROOF/ INDICATIONS OF THE 2 BASE THEORY
1. Goku wasn't stated to have absorbed God's power in the Manga, while he was in the Anime. This would create a HUGE difference between the Manga and Anime's power scale. So Goku and Vegeta essentially have 2 different power levels for the same story.
2. Strikes me as odd if Beerus was impressed by SSG Goku and allegedly "regretted provoking him", yet, after Goku absorbs God's power in base and goes Super Saiyan Blue on top of that and then multiplies his power ten-fold and is yet still weaker than Beerus.
3. Vegeta called Cabba a weakling, I don't think he'd do that if Cabba was stronger than SSG.
4. Frost says he's just a weakling who cheats to win, yet he is stronger than SSG?
5. U6 is U7's twin, yet all the U6 fighters are dozens of times stronger than SSG while Goku and co, were only SS3 tier at best until recently?
6. The RoF Manga shows Goku accessing the powers of God as a silhouette of SSG appears behind him.
7. We actually OFFICIALLY have "Saiyan Beyond God" as a separate form in DB Heroes, so the theory definitely has official basis.
8. Goku and Vegeta are actually shown to have accessed (Blue) God Ki in one of the episodes.

Do you really want them to come out and explain this shit directly? Are the implications not enough?

Nah, the conclusions that you're drawing are nonsense. The fact that Goku used SSJG means that he absorbed the power, otherwise he wouldn't be able to use it. We don't need an explicit statement saying that he did. Saiyan Beyond God is nothing but their base form after obtaining the power of god. It's a state of being, not a transformation. Every Saiyan that obtains god power would be a "Saiyan Beyond God" by default. Their base form can be sensed, so it has no god ki, no ifs ands or buts.

There is no indication that the powescales differ between the anime and manga. That notion is completely made up by the fans and reeks of desperation. Why are the fans so desperate for the anime and manga to differ? I don't know. The amount of mental gymnastics you need to come to these conclusions isn't something that I can even fathom.

There isn't anything supporting the existence of the 2 base theory, so it's moot. It doesn't matter if it "explains" it. It doesn't exist.

Rose Black was on the same general level as Blue Goku and Vegeta despite having a base form hundreds of times stronger. SSJR multiplier=/=SSB multiplier.

SSRose is confirmed to be stronger than SSGod which is far above 10% of SSBlue, and Black's base is far above SSJ3. I don't see how SSRose ends up anywhere close to SSBlue in the manga.

Rose and Blue are the same form. That doesn't change in the anime. Rose Black is on the same general tier as Blue Goku and Vegeta despite having a stronger base form. That isn't hard to understand. Rose surpassing SSJG isn't relevant, nor does it imply whatever you're trying to claim.

[Bullza]

Beerus should have knocked him out just by poking him.

Not really, they weren't fighting nor was he trying to knock him out. All that would mean is that he hit him with less force then when he previously flicked him.

especially since even in the Resurrection 'F' Saga, Super Saiyan Gohan was comparable to his Ultimate form in the Buu Saga.

There was nothing to suggest that at all.

His Ultimate form isn't a transformation, after all. It's all his hidden power unleashed.

It's more than that as the Elder Kai said he brought out power that goes past the limits of their potential. Either way I was referring to if they specifically mentioned Gohan obtaining the power he had back in the Buu Saga and not more.

Just the same Mystic Gohan.

We don't know where Goku's base form is at in the manga. It's all assumption that Goku's base form is super weak.

Nah they're definitely weak because even as a Super Saiyan, Vegeta could not a lift 1000 tonnes something that base Goku casually did when watering the flowers in the anime and then did 50,000 push ups on his thumb in a weighted suit that was even heavier then the watering can.

[TheUltimateNinja]

There isn't anything supporting the existence of the 2 base theory, so it's moot. It doesn't matter if it "explains" it. It doesn't exist.
Rose Black was on the same general level as Blue Goku and Vegeta despite having a base form hundreds of times stronger. SSJR multiplier=/=SSB multiplier.

OFFICIAL PROOF/ INDICATIONS OF THE 2 BASE THEORY
1. Goku wasn't stated to have absorbed God's power in the Manga, while he was in the Anime. This would create a HUGE difference between the Manga and Anime's power scale. So Goku and Vegeta essentially have 2 different power levels for the same story.
2. Strikes me as odd if Beerus was impressed by SSG Goku and allegedly "regretted provoking him", yet, after Goku absorbs God's power in base and goes Super Saiyan Blue on top of that and then multiplies his power ten-fold and is yet still weaker than Beerus.
3. Vegeta called Cabba a weakling, I don't think he'd do that if Cabba was stronger than SSG.
4. Frost says he's just a weakling who cheats to win, yet he is stronger than SSG?
5. U6 is U7's twin, yet all the U6 fighters are dozens of times stronger than SSG while Goku and co, were only SS3 tier at best until recently?
6. The RoF Manga shows Goku accessing the powers of God as a silhouette of SSG appears behind him.
7. We actually OFFICIALLY have "Saiyan Beyond God" as a separate form in DB Heroes, so the theory definitely has official basis.
8. Goku and Vegeta are actually shown to have accessed (Blue) God Ki in one of the episodes.

Do you really want them to come out and explain this shit directly? Are the implications not enough?

Nah, the conclusions that you're drawing are nonsense. The fact that Goku used SSJG means that he absorbed the power, otherwise he wouldn't be able to use it. We don't need an explicit statement saying that he did. Saiyan Beyond God is nothing but their base form after obtaining the power of god. It's a state of being, not a transformation. Every Saiyan that obtains god power would be a "Saiyan Beyond God" by default.

There is no indication that the powescales differ between the anime and manga. That notion is completely made up by the fans and reeks of desperation. Why are the fans so desperate for the anime and manga to differ? I don't know. The amount of mental gymnastics you need to come to these conclusions isn't something that I can even fathom.

There isn't anything supporting the existence of the 2 base theory, so it's moot. It doesn't matter if it "explains" it. It doesn't exist.

Rose Black was on the same general level as Blue Goku and Vegeta despite having a base form hundreds of times stronger. SSJR multiplier=/=SSB multiplier.

SSRose is confirmed to be stronger than SSGod which is far above 10% of SSBlue, and Black's base is far above SSJ3. I don't see how SSRose ends up anywhere close to SSBlue in the manga.

Rose and Blue are the same form. That doesn't change in the anime. Rose Black is on the same general tier as Blue Goku and Vegeta despite having a stronger base form. That isn't hard to understand. Rose surpassing SSJG isn't relevant, nor does it imply whatever you're trying to claim.

Are you joking? The anime and manga already started to majorly differ when Goku used Kaioken x10 in the anime whereas he didn't in the manga. Also, he can no longer use SSGod in the anime.

SSRose surpassing SSGod is relevant because it confirms its multiplier is at the very least over 1/10th of SSBlue's and thus Black should be much stronger than Goku and Vegeta. Don't try to use the anime to justify things in the manga, or I suppose you believe Base Goku and Vegeta are much stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks in the manga as well.

[RehBeh]

Vegeta was SSJ against Magetta.

He started in base. Only used SSJ because Magetta was too heavy when he was trying to lift him.

And continued the fight as SSJ until the end.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

OFFICIAL PROOF/ INDICATIONS OF THE 2 BASE THEORY
1. Goku wasn't stated to have absorbed God's power in the Manga, while he was in the Anime. This would create a HUGE difference between the Manga and Anime's power scale. So Goku and Vegeta essentially have 2 different power levels for the same story.
2. Strikes me as odd if Beerus was impressed by SSG Goku and allegedly "regretted provoking him", yet, after Goku absorbs God's power in base and goes Super Saiyan Blue on top of that and then multiplies his power ten-fold and is yet still weaker than Beerus.
3. Vegeta called Cabba a weakling, I don't think he'd do that if Cabba was stronger than SSG.
4. Frost says he's just a weakling who cheats to win, yet he is stronger than SSG?
5. U6 is U7's twin, yet all the U6 fighters are dozens of times stronger than SSG while Goku and co, were only SS3 tier at best until recently?
6. The RoF Manga shows Goku accessing the powers of God as a silhouette of SSG appears behind him.
7. We actually OFFICIALLY have "Saiyan Beyond God" as a separate form in DB Heroes, so the theory definitely has official basis.
8. Goku and Vegeta are actually shown to have accessed (Blue) God Ki in one of the episodes.

Do you really want them to come out and explain this shit directly? Are the implications not enough?

Nah, the conclusions that you're drawing are nonsense. The fact that Goku used SSJG means that he absorbed the power, otherwise he wouldn't be able to use it. We don't need an explicit statement saying that he did. Saiyan Beyond God is nothing but their base form after obtaining the power of god. It's a state of being, not a transformation. Every Saiyan that obtains god power would be a "Saiyan Beyond God" by default.

There is no indication that the powescales differ between the anime and manga. That notion is completely made up by the fans and reeks of desperation. Why are the fans so desperate for the anime and manga to differ? I don't know. The amount of mental gymnastics you need to come to these conclusions isn't something that I can even fathom.

SSRose is confirmed to be stronger than SSGod which is far above 10% of SSBlue, and Black's base is far above SSJ3. I don't see how SSRose ends up anywhere close to SSBlue in the manga.

Rose and Blue are the same form. That doesn't change in the anime. Rose Black is on the same general tier as Blue Goku and Vegeta despite having a stronger base form. That isn't hard to understand. Rose surpassing SSJG isn't relevant, nor does it imply whatever you're trying to claim.

Are you joking? The anime and manga already started to majorly differ when Goku used Kaioken x10 in the anime whereas he didn't in the manga. Also, he can no longer use SSGod in the anime.

SSRose surpassing SSGod is relevant because it confirms its multiplier is at the very least over 1/10th of SSBlue's and thus Black should be much stronger than Goku and Vegeta. Don't try to use the anime to justify things in the manga, or I suppose you believe Base Goku and Vegeta are much stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks in the manga as well.

Anime Goku used SSB Kaioken and manga Goku didn't. So what?

Anime Goku can't use SSJG according to who? Definitely not any of the characters.
Where are people getting these ideas from? He has the same god power that enabled SSJG in the first place, yet can't use the form? He used SSJG in the movie after absorbing it's power.

The anime shows it as it is. Rose Black is on the same level as Goku and Vegeta and is blatantly stated to be a match for them despite his stronger base form. All of this is possible despite Rose and Blue being the same form.
The conclusions you're coming to simply don't make any sense and yes manga base Goku would be stronger than Gotenks since his performance against all characters in the manga is identical to his performance in the anime.

[HeroR]

Beerus should have knocked him out just by poking him.

Not really, they weren't fighting nor was he trying to knock him out. All that would mean is that he hit him with less force then when he previously flicked him.

especially since even in the Resurrection 'F' Saga, Super Saiyan Gohan was comparable to his Ultimate form in the Buu Saga.

There was nothing to suggest that at all.

His Ultimate form isn't a transformation, after all. It's all his hidden power unleashed.

It's more than that as the Elder Kai said he brought out power that goes past the limits of their potential. Either way I was referring to if they specifically mentioned Gohan obtaining the power he had back in the Buu Saga and not more.

Just the same Mystic Gohan.

We don't know where Goku's base form is at in the manga. It's all assumption that Goku's base form is super weak.

Nah they're definitely weak because even as a Super Saiyan, Vegeta could not a lift 1000 tonnes something that base Goku casually did when watering the flowers in the anime and then did 50,000 push ups on his thumb in a weighted suit that was even heavier then the watering can.

They don't have to be fighting. We have seen Beerus flicked people and knocked them across the lawn when he isn't fighting. Also, what he did to Super Saiyan 3 Goku was hardly fighting since he literally just dodged and two-shotted him. Beerus also specifically said he was 'punishing' Goku. So why would he hit him with a forced so much weaker than the force that floored Goku as a Super Saiyan 3 in Battle of Gods Saga. In comparison, we have seen Beerus hit Goku semi-seriously in his base form since he absorbed godhood and only get mildly hurt, like when they changed Beerus' sheets and Goku fighting Beerus in the Monaka costumed.

Base form Gohan was stronger than Piccolo who is at least stronger than Super Vegeta, but a nice margin. He went Super Saiyan which is a 50x multiplier. How high do you have Ultimate Gohan?

Gohan's Ultimate form isn't a transformation. It's all of Gohan's power brought out and raised past its limits. So he doesn't need to 'transform'. And even if it was classified as a transformed, Gohan would still be much stronger than his Buu Saga's self since his base form was weaker than Goku's base form, who was said to be weaker than 100% Freeza according to Beerus. So him being stronger than Super Vegeta and approaching Perfect Cell in his base would make Ultimate form crap on Ultimate Gohan from the Buu Saga.

That is a poor example since Goku couldn't lift 40 tons in his base form in the Buu Saga, yet when child he easily bench lifted a car and pushed that giant rock. And those feats in the anime have no confirmed weights.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Anime Goku used SSB Kaioken and manga Goku didn't. So what?

Anime Goku can't use SSJG according to who? Definitely not any of the characters.
Where are people getting these ideas from? He has the same god power that enabled SSJG in the first place, yet can't use the form? He used SSJG in the movie after absorbing it's power.

The anime shows it as it is. Rose Black is on the same level as Goku and Vegeta and is blatantly stated to be a match for them despite his stronger base form. All of this is possible despite Rose and Blue being the same form.
The conclusions you're coming to simply don't make any sense and yes manga base Goku would be stronger than Gotenks since his performance against all characters in the manga is identical to his performance in the anime.

It means Hit's a lot stronger in the anime, so your assertion that the power scale is the same is false.

And the anime is obviously very different from the movie, Goku became slightly weaker after he dropped out of SSGod in the movie whereas he didn't lose any power in the anime. Also, he was close to 70% of Beerus in the movie but he isn't even close to 10% in the anime.

SSRose has no defined multiplier in the anime, whereas in the manga it's stated to be above SSGod. Zamasu explicitly states a God turns pink when they surpass SSGod, thus SSRose is stronger than SSGod which was confirmed to be well above 10% of SSBlue in the U6 arc.

[Freeza9000]

Taking the Crunchyroll subs for EP 50 into account, Trunks did note that Black's performance in the future was a bit stronger than his performance against Goku. So SSJ2 Trunks has got to be somewhat rivaling SSJ2 Goku.....

[TheUltimateNinja]

Taking the Crunchyroll subs for EP 50 into account, Trunks did note that Black's performance in the future was a bit stronger than his performance against Goku. So SSJ2 Trunks has got to be somewhat rivaling SSJ2 Goku.....

Black (Future) > Black (Present) = SSJ2 Goku => SSJ2 Trunks

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Anime Goku used SSB Kaioken and manga Goku didn't. So what?

Anime Goku can't use SSJG according to who? Definitely not any of the characters.
Where are people getting these ideas from? He has the same god power that enabled SSJG in the first place, yet can't use the form? He used SSJG in the movie after absorbing it's power.

The anime shows it as it is. Rose Black is on the same level as Goku and Vegeta and is blatantly stated to be a match for them despite his stronger base form. All of this is possible despite Rose and Blue being the same form.
The conclusions you're coming to simply don't make any sense and yes manga base Goku would be stronger than Gotenks since his performance against all characters in the manga is identical to his performance in the anime.

It means Hit's a lot stronger in the anime, so your assertion that the power scale is the same is false.

And the anime is obviously very different from the movie, Goku became slightly weaker after he dropped out of SSGod in the movie whereas he didn't lose any power in the anime. Also, he was close to 70% of Beerus in the movie but he isn't even close to 10% in the anime.

SSRose has no defined multiplier in the anime, whereas in the manga it's stated to be above SSGod. Zamasu explicitly states a God turns pink when they surpass SSGod, thus SSRose is stronger than SSGod which was confirmed to be well above 10% of SSBlue in the U6 arc.

Hit only has a better time skip, not more power and even if he did, that doesn't say anything about the way that Goku and Vegeta's god power operates.

Nah, sounds like reaching and you're wrong on that assertion. Goku stating that he doesn't feel weaker doesn't have to mean that SSJ Goku=SSJG Goku. His state of being didn't change, so he didn't feel that he lost any power. He still had godly essence.
Goku absorbed SSJG and transformed into it. Period, end of story. Absorbing the form doesn't magically lock it away forever.

Rose in the anime is the same form as SSB, which means that it surpasses SSJG. The logic being used here makes zero sense and sounds like reaching. Black is stated to only be a match to Goku and Vegeta's strength with it. That's all that matters.