The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:44 am

I just got the color DBZ manga and during the human practicing it showed Yamcha fighting Chaotzu and Kuririn fighting Mr. Popo so:

Yamcha Vs Chaotzu
Kuririn Vs Mr. Popo
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mystic Buu » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:13 am

Kid Buu wrote:I just got the color DBZ manga and during the human practicing it showed Yamcha fighting Chaotzu and Kuririn fighting Mr. Popo so:

Yamcha Vs Chaotzu
Kuririn Vs Mr. Popo
Yamcha and maaaaaybe Krillin.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:57 pm

Attack Versus again.

Kienzan vs Makaspoppa(Special Beam Cannon. Could never spell the original name correct).

Which is more useful? Both works against stronger people.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:23 pm

Kienzan beats Makankosappo just for the creation time alone. Piccolo's technique just takes too much time to make.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:56 pm

Kid Buu wrote:I just got the color DBZ manga and during the human practicing it showed Yamcha fighting Chaotzu and Kuririn fighting Mr. Popo so:

Yamcha Vs Chaotzu
Kuririn Vs Mr. Popo
Chiaotzu stomps Yamcha. The gap between them isn't that big, so Chiaotzu's psychic powers should be able to stop his heart.

Krillin loses against Popo unless it's fairly late in the training.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:30 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:I just got the color DBZ manga and during the human practicing it showed Yamcha fighting Chaotzu and Kuririn fighting Mr. Popo so:

Yamcha Vs Chaotzu
Kuririn Vs Mr. Popo
Chiaotzu stomps Yamcha. The gap between them isn't that big, so Chiaotzu's psychic powers should be able to stop his heart.
Yamcha can counter and ask Chaozu math questions. Or tell Chaozu to go left and right.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:44 pm

I don't think that'll work twice.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:45 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I don't think that'll work twice.
Instead of addition use subtraction, Fractions, multiplication, divisions, Geometry, and College Algebra.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:46 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:I don't think that'll work twice.
Instead of addition use subtraction, Fractions, multiplication, divisions, Geometry, and College Algebra.
Again, I don't think he'd fall for the same trick twice. Or that Yamcha could do anything clever.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:16 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:I don't think that'll work twice.
Instead of addition use subtraction, Fractions, multiplication, divisions, Geometry, and College Algebra.
Again, I don't think he'd fall for the same trick twice. Or that Yamcha could do anything clever.
He fell for addition. I'm sure Chazou didn't take math classes after that. But in a FAIR fight. Then sure Chaozu can beat Yamcha. I doubt they will kill each other.....

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:00 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Chiaotzu stomps Yamcha. The gap between them isn't that big, so Chiaotzu's psychic powers should be able to stop his heart.
I... doooon't think this was ever said to be possible.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:05 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Chiaotzu stomps Yamcha. The gap between them isn't that big, so Chiaotzu's psychic powers should be able to stop his heart.
I... doooon't think this was ever said to be possible.
It should be, given how those powers work.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:12 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Chiaotzu stomps Yamcha. The gap between them isn't that big, so Chiaotzu's psychic powers should be able to stop his heart.
I... doooon't think this was ever said to be possible.
It should be, given how those powers work.
We've never seen someone stopping a part of an opponent's body from moving. All we've seen is stopping the whole body.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by xmysticgohanx » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:45 am

What about ss3 Vegito vs Beerus?

I think there are two in-universe reasons as to why Vegito wasn't in the movie:
1. Goku wanted to see how strong ssgod was.
2. They didn't want to be permanently fused again.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:48 am

xmysticgohanx wrote:What about ss3 Vegito vs Beerus?

I think there are two in-universe reasons as to why Vegito wasn't in the movie:
1. Goku wanted to see how strong ssgod was.
2. They didn't want to be permanently fused again.
I'd say Vegito. Seeing as I go by the following.

Super Vegito < Beerus

SSJ2 Vegito = Beerus

SSJ3 Vegito > Beerus
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:51 am

xmysticgohanx wrote:What about ss3 Vegito vs Beerus?

I think there are two in-universe reasons as to why Vegito wasn't in the movie:
1. Goku wanted to see how strong ssgod was.
2. They didn't want to be permanently fused again.
That's been done to death. A million of times. Each time it's the same. Half of us(like me) say SSJ3 Vegetto and the other half wil say Beerus. Both with great evidence.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:59 am

Explanation number two doesn't work, since Mr. Buu could just absorb Vegetto then let the defused saiyans out.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:06 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Explanation number two doesn't work, since Mr. Buu could just absorb Vegetto then let the defused saiyans out.
To much thinking. Would seem bullshit. Why not do that for every bad guy then? Goku and Vegeta would't fuse to beat O N E person. Since it's not fun and unfair.

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Post by Friezacooler » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:10 am

It depends is Vegetto comparable to a one million years power up from a SSJ3 on 10*gravity training? If so than maybe he would own Bills when he transforms to a ssj3. He certainly would do better than a enraged Vegeta unless you are implying enraged Vegeta has surpassed Vegetto?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Rocketman » Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:14 am

Base Vegetto would smash Godku, but lose to Billy. Super Vegetto would overpower Billy.

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