The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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Android 13 and 14 vs 17 and 18 who takes this?
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17 and 18. 14 is weaker than a SSJ. 13 might cause SOME trouble. But 17 and 18 together destroys him easily.Friezacooler wrote:Android 13 and 14 vs 17 and 18 who takes this?
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17 and 18 stomp. 13 and 14 were on SS Vegeta's level or below- pretty far below in 14's case.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Wasn't 14 the trucker attire with the hat? Didn't he give Goku trouble? Unless you're saying Vegeta was stronger in the filmRandomGuy96 wrote:17 and 18 stomp. 13 and 14 were on SS Vegeta's level or below- pretty far below in 14's case.
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Vegeta was stronger than Goku in the android arc. 14 is the racist caricature- the one with grey skin and a ponytail. That one was beaten without much trouble by Trunks, so either of the androids would wreck it in one hit.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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I meant to say 13RandomGuy96 wrote:Vegeta was stronger than Goku in the android arc. 14 is the racist caricature- the one with grey skin and a ponytail. That one was beaten without much trouble by Trunks, so either of the androids would wreck it in one hit.
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Kaio was sure that absolutely nothing would work against Beerus (before learning about SSGod), and their current greatest weapon was SS3 Vegetto. So, Beerus stomps.xmysticgohanx wrote:What about ss3 Vegito vs Beerus?
I think there are two in-universe reasons as to why Vegito wasn't in the movie:
1. Goku wanted to see how strong ssgod was.
2. They didn't want to be permanently fused again.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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This is what I say as well.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Kaio was sure that absolutely nothing would work against Beerus (before learning about SSGod), and their current greatest weapon was SS3 Vegetto. So, Beerus stomps.xmysticgohanx wrote:What about ss3 Vegito vs Beerus?
I think there are two in-universe reasons as to why Vegito wasn't in the movie:
1. Goku wanted to see how strong ssgod was.
2. They didn't want to be permanently fused again.
SSJ2 Vegeto < SSJG Goku < 70% Beerus < SSJ3 Vegeto < 100% Beerus
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Can you give me the main points?TheGmGoken wrote:That's been done to death. A million of times. Each time it's the same. Half of us(like me) say SSJ3 Vegetto and the other half wil say Beerus. Both with great evidence.xmysticgohanx wrote:What about ss3 Vegito vs Beerus?
I think there are two in-universe reasons as to why Vegito wasn't in the movie:
1. Goku wanted to see how strong ssgod was.
2. They didn't want to be permanently fused again.
He's the same person that thought gohan with the z sword would beat buu.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Kaio was sure that absolutely nothing would work against Beerus (before learning about SSGod), and their current greatest weapon was SS3 Vegetto. So, Beerus stomps.xmysticgohanx wrote:What about ss3 Vegito vs Beerus?
I think there are two in-universe reasons as to why Vegito wasn't in the movie:
1. Goku wanted to see how strong ssgod was.
2. They didn't want to be permanently fused again.
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Kai >>> Z
Current Roshi/Kulilin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Gotenks
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
SSJ2 Vegeto < SSJG Goku < 70% Beerus < SSJ3 Vegeto < 100% Beerus[/quote]
Nahh SSJGod would own any form of Vegito simply becuase SSJ God has the statements 1 Million years SSJ3 power up, and also the other Statement by Bills that SSJ Gods ki is immeasurable. Vegito might surprise like vegeta but he would certainly lose in any form. Unless you can find the statement of gotenks Buu or Super buu stating that he is on a entirely different dimension than the previous Buu than Vegito might have chance. however i am propably confusing that statement with Piccolo who has made a similar statement regarding the kai's and himself included being on different dimension i guess?.
Nahh SSJGod would own any form of Vegito simply becuase SSJ God has the statements 1 Million years SSJ3 power up, and also the other Statement by Bills that SSJ Gods ki is immeasurable. Vegito might surprise like vegeta but he would certainly lose in any form. Unless you can find the statement of gotenks Buu or Super buu stating that he is on a entirely different dimension than the previous Buu than Vegito might have chance. however i am propably confusing that statement with Piccolo who has made a similar statement regarding the kai's and himself included being on different dimension i guess?.
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Not, that was Kaioshin The Big Dumpass, not Kaio. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kaio was never an unreliable source.xmysticgohanx wrote:He's the same person that thought gohan with the z sword would beat buu.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well, he thought that Freeza was dead, twice, I think. But so did everyone else, so....does that count? Also, he thought that Freeza had immediately destroyed Namek with his attack.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Not, that was Kaioshin The Big Dumpass, not Kaio. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kaio was never an unreliable source.xmysticgohanx wrote:He's the same person that thought gohan with the z sword would beat buu.
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Tie. Recoome is weaker in terms of ki and Vegeta could actually faze him, but he also just doesn't stay down and may or may not just outlast Nail.Mystic Buu wrote:Nail vs Recoome.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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These are mistakes that everyone can make. But Kaioshin thought that Pui Pui & Yakon could hurt the Saiyans purely based on the fact that they are Babidi's men, and he thought that Gohan could beat Boo from his gains through the Z-Sword purely based on the fact that the sword is legendary... So, yeah.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Well, he thought that Freeza was dead, twice, I think. But so did everyone else, so....does that count? Also, he thought that Freeza had immediately destroyed Namek with his attack.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Not, that was Kaioshin The Big Dumpass, not Kaio. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kaio was never an unreliable source.xmysticgohanx wrote:He's the same person that thought gohan with the z sword would beat buu.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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LSS Bio-Broly vs Base Bojack
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Hard one. But Bojack due to Broly's weakness of Water. But in power I think Broly have the edge.RandomGuy96 wrote:LSS Bio-Broly vs Base Bojack
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Bio-Broli destroys Bojack, assuming there is no water around.RandomGuy96 wrote:LSS Bio-Broly vs Base Bojack
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Cell (The one Trunks kills) vs Cell (The first one we saw)
Always wondered if they were different in terms of power.
Always wondered if they were different in terms of power.