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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:59 pm

We at least know Future Cell is decently stronger than the future androids.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Mystic Buu » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:08 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong,but I think that they are equal in terms of power.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:23 pm

Vegeta VS Kid Buu while Goku is gathering energy BUT, with Paikuhan helping to hold off Buu.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:24 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Vegeta VS Kid Buu while Goku is gathering energy BUT, with Paikuhan helping to hold off Buu.
Same thing happens basically, except Pikkon gets to be beaten up too. Goku and Mr. Buu were the only ones that could really "fight" Pure Buu. Vegeta was one-shot fodder to Buu, but Buu dragged it out for the lulz.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:26 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Vegeta VS Kid Buu while Goku is gathering energy BUT, with Paikuhan helping to hold off Buu.
Same thing happens basically, except Paikuhan gets to be beaten up too. Goku and Mr. Buu were the only ones that could really "fight" Pure Buu. Vegeta was one-shot fodder to Buu, but Buu dragged it out for the lulz.
True, but with Paikuhan helping it may have bought Goku more time to collect energy.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:29 pm

It all depends purely on what kind of mood Pure Buu happens to be in. The addition of another fighter might just annoy him, in which case he'll just one-shot them both, giving Goku even less time.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:14 pm

God Goku vs Oob

GT is ignored. This is Oob in his prime, can he beat God Goku? He can use Kaio-ken if you believe Goku taught it to him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Pantalones » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:26 pm

Uub up against Super Saiyan God Goku?? Nah, I don't think Uub would have a chance. SSj God is supposed to be way beyond anything seen in DBZ, with a level of power that makes SSj3 Goku look like a joke in comparison... and while Uub would probably be able to go beyond Kid Buu's (and thus SSj3 Goku's) level after a lot of training, I doubt he'd go that far beyond them.

With Kaio-ken... I dunno. It really depends on just how much stronger Super Saiyan God Goku is than SSj3 Goku, and what the limits of Kaio-ken are. Is SSj God Goku 10x stronger than Goku was in SSj3? 20x stronger? 100x stronger? Even stronger than that? And does Kaio-ken even go beyond 20x (as seen in the manga/anime) or 100x (as seen near the end of the Slug movie, according to a guide or something)?

It's really hard to say how they'd compare, given that we have no clue exactly how big the power gaps involved are (especially since fully-trained adult Uub is pretty much a hypothetical character that we know nothing about aside from "potential to get as strong as Kid Buu was with Gohan-esque rage boosts," if you ignore GT.)
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Post by xmysticgohanx » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:10 am

Pantalones wrote:With Kaio-ken... I dunno. It really depends on just how much stronger Super Saiyan God Goku is than SSj3 Goku, and what the limits of Kaio-ken are.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:24 am

Lets see, I have them at:

Ubb (Kid Buu's power): 32,000,000,000

God Goku: 60,000,000,000,000

Lol not even with a 1,000 Kaioken Ubb can win.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:31 am

SS2 Gotenks >= Beers > SS Gotenks (pre) > SS3 Goku > poorly recolored SS2 Gohan.

KK x5 Uub stomps.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:47 am

What's with the SS2 Gotenks >= Beers?
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:04 am

Kid Buu wrote:What's with the SS2 Gotenks >= Beers?
SS2 Gotenks- 100
Beers- 100
--70%- 70
SSG Goku- 60
SS Gotenks pre- 40
SS3 Goku- 40
SS2 Vegeta- 10
SS2 Gohan- 7
--+Poor Recolor- 7.0001

Screw Beers and BOG. SS3 Gotenks can smack him down effortlessly :D
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:59 am

Okay this is really off topic and random, but you know what pisses me off? in the Vegetto fight, he destroys the Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack and mocks it for being a kids move. If you think stuff made up by a kid will be incompetent, WHY DID YOU [at least the Goku half] HAVE THE KIDS FIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE?


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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:16 am

Zombie wrote:Lets see, I have them at:

Ubb (Kid Buu's power): 32,000,000,000

God Goku: 60,000,000,000,000

Lol not even with a 1,000 Kaioken Ubb can win.
I said Oob in his prime, meaning after all the training he has done in his life, but before he got old & weaker.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:55 am

Kid Buu wrote:Broly Fanboys Vs Vegetto Fanboys in a who is more annoying contest
Can I vote for a mutual KO?
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:10 pm

Kid Buu wrote:

Broly Fanboys Vs Vegetto Fanboys in a who is more annoying contest
Depends on the day so tie. Also not trying to start trouble but I honestly what to here Random's explanation on how SSj2 Gotenks >= Birsu. So....

SSj2 Gotenks vs Beerus
SSJ3 Gotenks vs Beerus
Mystic Gohan vs Beerus

YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY *Insert name* will win. Beerus beats all of them because Beerus said Goku was the strongest(2nd) he've ever fought. Goku said he didn't think this power was possible. I'm sure Goku sensed Gohan before. Since Gohan > Gotenks. There ya go.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:23 pm

It's an AU where Super Buu, SS3 Gotenks, and Ultimate Gohan never existed, as a result of Mister Satan successfully turning Fat Buu to the side of good. It explains the staggering number of inconsistencies, or at least most of them.

Vegetto fanboys win. Because at least the general fanbase acknowledges Broly fanboys for what they are.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:33 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:It's an AU where Super Buu, SS3 Gotenks, and Ultimate Gohan never existed, as a result of Mister Satan successfully turning Fat Buu to the side of good. It explains the staggering number of inconsistencies, or at least most of them.

Vegetto fanboys win. Because at least the general fanbase acknowledges Broly fanboys for what they are.
How can it been an AU when the 17 universes are NOTHING alike. You mean Alt. Timeline or Alt. Dimension? Also didn't Toriyama state he wrote this as if it was writing the manga> Also Mystic Gohan was in the movie. Just poorly re-animated because of.....SSJ issues :lol: .
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:35 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:It's an AU where Super Buu, SS3 Gotenks, and Ultimate Gohan never existed, as a result of Mister Satan successfully turning Fat Buu to the side of good. It explains the staggering number of inconsistencies, or at least most of them.

Vegetto fanboys win. Because at least the general fanbase acknowledges Broly fanboys for what they are.
How can it been an AU when the 17 universes are NOTHING alike. You mean Alt. Timeline or Alt. Dimension? Also didn't Toriyama state he wrote this as if it was writing the manga> Also Mystic Gohan was in the movie. Just poorly re-animated because of.....SSJ issues :lol: .
AU is usually used for alternate timeline where talking about the movies.

He did say that... but it was a hypothetical. Basically, he didn't actually write another chapter of the manga, he just pretended that he was.

No, he wasn't. He's poorly recolored with black hair, but the story still treats him as a SS.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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