Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[pacz360]

Majin Boo was chosen over Piccolo to fight in the preliminaries. Does this pretty much kill the whole Base Saiyan have God ki theory?

Nope not at all.

[Bullza]

New episode.

- Does the Team confirm anything within the power rankings? Some wondered if Gohan and Buu were chosen because they were next strongest after Vegeta but Goku seemed fine to take Goten and Trunks initially and he may have just picked Buu because he just happened to be there.

- It looks like Basil is going to be in Good Buu's Tier from the looks of it. It looks like Basil transformed so Buu must at least be stronger than Basil to begin with.

- Does Gohan going after Buu mean that Gohan is stronger than Buu? They said Basil didn't look like much and then proceeded to chose Buu to fight him and you'd think they wouldn't send one of the better ones.

- It doesn't seem like Gohan is going to have his Mystic power yet. He might but he didn't before and you'd think they'd make a point of him getting it so I'm guessing it won't appear just yet which means I'd assume Lavender would likely be weaker than Mystic Gohan. Wouldn't surprise me if Gohan loses and that's why he trains.

[Lord Beerus]

Majin Boo was chosen over Piccolo to fight in the preliminaries. Does this pretty much kill the whole Base Saiyan have God ki theory?

Nope not at all.

But if was choosing the three strongest fighters in his universe, including himself, to fight in the preliminaries, surely Piccolo should have been among them if we're believing that he is as strong as Goku and Vegeta in thier base form, which is supposedly SSJG tier and has God ki on by default. Yet he chose Majin Boo over him. Pretty much confirming Piccolo is still far down the pecking order and as such throws an almighty spanner in the whole "Saiyan Beyond God" theory

[ekrolo2]

Majin Boo was chosen over Piccolo to fight in the preliminaries. Does this pretty much kill the whole Base Saiyan have God ki theory?

Nope not at all.

But if was choosing the three strongest fighters in his universe, including himself, to fight in the preliminaries, surely Piccolo should have been among them if we're believing that he is as strong as Goku and Vegeta in thier base form, which is supposedly SSJG tier and has God ki on by default. Yet he chose Majin Boo over him. Pretty much confirming Piccolo is still far down the pecking order and as such throws an almighty spanner in the whole "Saiyan Beyond God" theory

Goten and Trunks got picked over him FFS, if that doesn't say he's still inferior to SS1 level fighters from the Boo arc even, then I don't know what does.

[pacz360]

Majin Boo was chosen over Piccolo to fight in the preliminaries. Does this pretty much kill the whole Base Saiyan have God ki theory?

Nope not at all.

But if was choosing the three strongest fighters in his universe, including himself, to fight in the preliminaries, surely Piccolo should have been among them if we're believing that he is as strong as Goku and Vegeta in thier base form, which is supposedly SSJG tier and has God ki on by default. Yet he chose Majin Boo over him. Pretty much confirming Piccolo is still far down the pecking order and as such throws an almighty spanner in the whole "Saiyan Beyond God" theory

Goku intially was going to pick goten and trunks before gohan and buu besides has hax on his side.

[Lord Beerus]

Nope not at all.

But if was choosing the three strongest fighters in his universe, including himself, to fight in the preliminaries, surely Piccolo should have been among them if we're believing that he is as strong as Goku and Vegeta in thier base form, which is supposedly SSJG tier and has God ki on by default. Yet he chose Majin Boo over him. Pretty much confirming Piccolo is still far down the pecking order and as such throws an almighty spanner in the whole "Saiyan Beyond God" theory

Goten and Trunks got picked over him FFS, if that doesn't say he's still inferior to SS1 level fighters from the Boo arc even, then I don't know what does.

To be fair, Goten and Trunks got very stronger after training in the ROSAT in the Majin Boo arc. I never once believed from a second that Piccolo was God-tier.

This episode has pretty much confirmed a reality fans that didn't want to face: Piccolo is still a scrub.

[ekrolo2]

To be fair, Goten and Trunks got very stronger after training in the ROSAT in the Majin Boo arc. I never once believed from a second that Piccolo was God-tier.

This episode has pretty much confirmed a reality fans that didn't want to face: Piccolo is still a scrub.

Pretty much. I'll belive the Two-Base or God-Ki amped theories again when something besides Goku vs Freeza from the retelling implies it. Say, if Goku defeats a Ultimate Gohan tier fighter without a transformation. If he does use one, those theories are both gonzo.

[Lord Beerus]

Nope not at all.

But if was choosing the three strongest fighters in his universe, including himself, to fight in the preliminaries, surely Piccolo should have been among them if we're believing that he is as strong as Goku and Vegeta in thier base form, which is supposedly SSJG tier and has God ki on by default. Yet he chose Majin Boo over him. Pretty much confirming Piccolo is still far down the pecking order and as such throws an almighty spanner in the whole "Saiyan Beyond God" theory

Goku intially was going to pick goten and trunks before gohan and buu besides has hax on his side.

No he didn't. He saw Goten and Trunks train, took a nice, long hard think and thought, "Yeah...those kids are scrubs. Now where the fuck is Majin Boo? He'll get shit done. He's future of the new generation of fighters. Him and that glasses guy."

[pacz360]

Can you fuckers wait untill the next couple of episodes before shouting "this confirms" this theory bullshit damn.

[pacz360]

But if was choosing the three strongest fighters in his universe, including himself, to fight in the preliminaries, surely Piccolo should have been among them if we're believing that he is as strong as Goku and Vegeta in thier base form, which is supposedly SSJG tier and has God ki on by default. Yet he chose Majin Boo over him. Pretty much confirming Piccolo is still far down the pecking order and as such throws an almighty spanner in the whole "Saiyan Beyond God" theory

Goku intially was going to pick goten and trunks before gohan and buu besides has hax on his side.

No he didn't. He saw Goten and Trunks train, took a nice, long hard think and thought, "Yeah...those kids are scrubs. Now where the fuck is Majin Boo? He'll get shit done. He's future of the new generation of fighters. Him and that glasses guy."

Hmmm I"ll have to see this episode with subs to see.

[Zamasu55]

Majin Boo was chosen over Piccolo to fight in the preliminaries. Does this pretty much kill the whole Base Saiyan have God ki theory?

Oh for God's sake, Piccolo never was God tier, just accept the two-base theory once and for all.

[Lord Beerus]

Can you fuckers wait untill the next couple of episodes before shouting "this confirms" this theory bullshit damn.

I don't really understand what the issue is. Goku chose the two strongest fighters available to fight in the preliminaries and Piccolo wasn't among them. Piccolo is still weaker than Majin Boo who is on the high end of SSJ2 tier at best. It goes against the idea that Piccolo was SSJG tier and/or above in the Universe 6 arc, like a lot of people were assuming. Piccolo is still a weakling. Hell, Goku considered Goten and Trunks over him. He's still way down the pecking order, and it also kills the whole theory that Goku and Vegeta were SSJG tier in their base forms and had God ki in them.

[Bullza]

I don't know if you could say Goten and Trunks were stronger than Piccolo because of this. Back in the Universe 6 saga Vegeta was fine with Piccolo being involved but turned down Trunks when he asked to be a part of it. In the manga they were never even considered at all.

They just happened to be there when Goku was talking to Vegeta just like Buu was there when he was talking to Gohan. If Piccolo was around maybe he'd have asked him.

So this doesn't really say anything for me. I think the dialogue when they were deciding the line up for the Universe 6 Tournament was more important there and that seemed to imply Buu > Piccolo > Goten and Trunks,

[Lord Frieza]

I would not start judging Basil's power until we the next episode.

We need to see if Buu starts taking this seriously or not and then we need to see how the fight goes.

[Lord Beerus]

I don't know if you could say Goten and Trunks were stronger than Piccolo because of this. Back in the Universe 6 saga Vegeta was fine with Piccolo being involved but turned down Trunks when he asked to be a part of it. In the manga they were never even considered at all.

They just happened to be there when Goku was talking to Vegeta just like Buu was there when he was talking to Gohan. If Piccolo was around maybe he'd have asked him.

So this doesn't really say anything for me. I think the dialogue when they were deciding the line up for the Universe 6 Tournament was more important there and that seemed to imply Buu > Piccolo > Goten and Trunks,

They should have backed up the implication that "Buu > Piccolo > Goten and Trunks" still exists, but it seems like it doesn't now. It if were the case, Goku would have straight to Piccolo after taking to either Gohan or Vegeta. But he didn't. The official English subs are going to be very interesting to know. Because if Piccolo isn't even mentioned at all when Goku is searching for the strongest fighters possible that are available, that is extremely damaging to the concept that Piccolo is stronger than Goten and Trunks and that Goku and Vegeta have God ki in their base form by default.

[Bullza]

Well I brought up the other thing revolving around Piccolo and the kids.

That Goku could sense Super Saiyan Kid Trunks on Beerus' Planet but could not sense Base Gohan powering up until after he turned Super Saiyan and Base Gohan was stronger than Piccolo which could imply the kids were stronger than Piccolo at least in the Resurrection F saga but of course Piccolo trained with Gohan so the comments Vegeta made would just mean Piccolo surpassed Super Saiyan Kid Trunks from all the training.

Though at the same time he didn't train in the manga and it's if Goku and Vegeta would have even been aware he was training when they chose Piccolo as their second choice.

So it's debatable I suppose.

I don't know about them having God Ki in their Base forms but I do think this preliminary will show that Base Goku is stronger than Buu. They have already showed that but for those who are wondering if he was retconned to Buu saga levels then it might show otherwise.

[dbzfan7]

Depends on if Vegeta meant Goten or Gohan really when it comes to how the boys compare to Piccolo.

Nonetheless, I see no reason now to not have Gohan and Boo above Piccolo, as I thought it was, since they didn't even consider Piccolo at all if he were Super OP like some people tried to say. He's right in the same camp as everyone else who's not a god.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

There is something seriously wrong here if people think that Goten and Trunks being stronger than Piccolo was a message of this episode. Blatant extreme reaching due to bias.

Vegeta: But why don't you ask your son?
Goku(thinking that Vegeta is referring to Goten): Yeah, but I don't know who were up against.
Goku: Those boys aren't yet......

If Goku could confirm that the people in the match were one's that the kids can handle, then under that condition, he would let them fight. That's all you should have gotten from these words, not this nonsense that Goten and Trunks>everyone but Goku and Vegeta.

"Those boys aren't yet...", means that they aren't ready for real fights, but all of the people that are on the Universe 7 team are. Not only is Piccolo stronger than the kids, but every single individual on the team is as stated. No if's and or buts.

The ten people participating in the tournament are flat out stated to be the strongest people on Earth, so if you got the kids>Piccolo based on this episode, then there is a severe problem with your comprehension.

[ZombieVito]

Majin Boo was chosen over Piccolo to fight in the preliminaries. Does this pretty much kill the whole Base Saiyan have God ki theory?

Pretty much confirms the two base theory for me. That's the only way the Champa arc makes sense.

[pacz360]

I really dont see how any of you see this episode as a confirmation of the two base theory bullshit you guys keep pushing.